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  # 1813720 6-Jul-2017 11:41
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Yeah, any physician will be terrified of saying the 'wrong' thing and getting himself and his extended family sent to the camps. Tough gig.

 

 


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  # 1813752 6-Jul-2017 12:36
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I'm not a fan of Iran, but these were funny...



Daily Mail Aus:

"Drooling, sat in a diaper and covered in flies: Iran holds an international contest to find the best cartoon of Donald Trump and the 1,600 submissions from 74 countries are anything but flattering....."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4662514/Trump-cartoon-contest-held-Iran.html


 
 
 
 


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  # 1813758 6-Jul-2017 12:40
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kryptonjohn:

 

 

 

Sane and rational? Nah I think you are wrong and that the Kims are paranoid psychopaths who go far beyond what is required to hold power.

 

 

 

 

He may be paranoid, but he's absolutely right to be. He holds power by the sword, and when you live by the sword, you die by the sword. His paranoia is real, not delusional. There are lots of other people in his leadership that want to be him and aren't afraid to kill to do it; there are hardliner geriatric generals who would kill him if he showed signs of not living up to the Glorious Dear Leader's ways of Juche; and there are any number foreign powers who would be happy to see him six feet under in return for influence over his successor.

 

As far as psychopathy goes, I suppose he might be. But most psychopaths don't eat people's lungs, Hannibal Lecter notwithstanding. Pyschopathy mostly just means you do the thing that's in your rational self-interest, feelings of other people be damned. Apparently, roughly 1% of everyone could qualify.

 

I'm not saying he's a nice guy, and I would never want to be friends with him. But 'Kim Jong Un is crazy and could blow up the world at any moment' is exactly what he wants you to think. If he starts WWIII, where's his next Mercedes going to come from? Caviar? Fine champagne? Selection of clean young ladies? They all just got vapourised.

 

He isn't going to start anything on a whim. But he wants everyone else to believe that he can, so they don't do it.





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  # 1813762 6-Jul-2017 12:46
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Yeah, Kim is a right PoS, but when he drops dead from a lifestyle related disease before very much longer who is gonna replace him? undecided


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  # 1813763 6-Jul-2017 12:47
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Some of them are quite good, but Trump is such an easy target. In a way that is a bad thing.

 

 





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  # 1813776 6-Jul-2017 12:56
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kryptonjohn:

 

 

 

Sane and rational? Nah I think you are wrong and that the Kims are paranoid psychopaths who go far beyond what is required to hold power. They get up to stuff that other garden variety despots do not - be it bizarre executions, setting up concentration camps the size of cities, imprisoning entire extended families of enemies etc.

 

 

It's a tricky balancing act where, at the point of your demise, you want to have expended all your country's resources on baubles for yourself. Spend too many resources on repressing the population and you get less baubles. And probably a curtailed life; I think there's a limit to controlling people by repression; once a peasant perceives that their best possible future (and their family's, and their village's) is zero, you have a potential suicide bomber. Which, as the West is learning, are extremely difficult to contain.

 

There is a Rubicon... once you get to the point where losing total power means your death, then anything goes as far as retaining power. From here, it's a downward spiral of repression... you need to repress the population to stay alive, but that makes more enemies, so you need to apply more repression.  Or you need a bulletproof exit strategy (e.g. Idi Amin).

 

So I don't think there is such a thing as a sane and rational despot.  To be successful, probably you need to be a psychopath. And, pretty soon, everyone really will be out to get you, so it's probably a good thing to be paranoid.

 

 


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  # 1813795 6-Jul-2017 13:06
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SaltyNZ:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

 

 

Sane and rational? Nah I think you are wrong and that the Kims are paranoid psychopaths who go far beyond what is required to hold power.

 

 

 

 

He may be paranoid, but he's absolutely right to be. He holds power by the sword, and when you live by the sword, you die by the sword. His paranoia is real, not delusional. There are lots of other people in his leadership that want to be him and aren't afraid to kill to do it; there are hardliner geriatric generals who would kill him if he showed signs of not living up to the Glorious Dear Leader's ways of Juche; and there are any number foreign powers who would be happy to see him six feet under in return for influence over his successor.

 

As far as psychopathy goes, I suppose he might be. But most psychopaths don't eat people's lungs, Hannibal Lecter notwithstanding. Pyschopathy mostly just means you do the thing that's in your rational self-interest, feelings of other people be damned. Apparently, roughly 1% of everyone could qualify.

 

I'm not saying he's a nice guy, and I would never want to be friends with him. But 'Kim Jong Un is crazy and could blow up the world at any moment' is exactly what he wants you to think. If he starts WWIII, where's his next Mercedes going to come from? Caviar? Fine champagne? Selection of clean young ladies? They all just got vapourised.

 

He isn't going to start anything on a whim. But he wants everyone else to believe that he can, so they don't do it.

 

 

 

 

Kim Jong-Un was educated outside North Korea, I am sure he is aware of what he is up against if he were to attack the US, Japan or South Korea so like you I do not believe he will start something on a whim. I feel that a lot of this is for internal consumption in order to consolidate his power base. What scares me more is a Coup or an assassination that leaves a power vacuum in North Korea and a military junta of aging Generals takes over. Any action that Trump takes will have to take that into account in order to stop the North's arsenal control  becoming decentralised.





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  # 1813804 6-Jul-2017 13:17
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DarthKermit:

 

Yeah, Kim is a right PoS, but when he drops dead from a lifestyle related disease before very much longer who is gonna replace him? undecided

 

 

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On 25 July 2012 North Korean state media reported for the first time that Kim Jong-un is married to Ri Sol-ju (리설주) [...] and they had a child in 2010. Dennis Rodman, after visiting in 2013, reported that they had a daughter named Ju-ae.

 

 

Presumably Ri Sol-ju will do a Madame Kai-Shek and take over (a great leap forward for the women's movement!).

 

Or Ju-ae will become the titular Next Great Leader (again, progress for the women's movement!) whilst the loyal generals squabble over who fathers the next dynasty. Probably Kim has had more children in the last 7 years, and probably one or more would be male, so he could inherit the Supreme Commander title. Or some random boy with bad hair could be put forward as Kim's so-far-secret son.

 

Most likely, shortly thereafter there will be a collapse similar to East Germany and the two Koreas will be reunited and controlled from the South.

 

 


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  # 1813817 6-Jul-2017 13:34
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CNN - Forty-four states and DC have refused to give certain voter information to Trump commission

 

The "Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity", which President Donald Trump created by executive order in May, sent a letter to all 50 states last Wednesday requesting a bevy of voter data.

 

The information the commission is seeking includes registrants' full names, addresses, dates of birth, political parties, the last four digits of their social security numbers, a list of the elections they voted in since 2006, information on any felony convictions, information on whether they were registered to vote in other states, their military status, and whether they lived overseas.

 

States not complying:

 

 

Credible allegations of voter impersonation:

 

 

The response of the Maryland Attorney General:

 

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"I find this request for the personal information of millions of Marylanders repugnant; it appears designed only to intimidate voters and to indulge President Trump’s fantasy that he won the popular vote."





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  # 1813937 6-Jul-2017 15:20
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Whilst I understand the sentiment, refusing to cooperate simply plays right into Trump's hands. 'The States refuse to cooperate! Proof there's a cover-up!'





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  # 1813940 6-Jul-2017 15:24
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SaltyNZ:

 

Whilst I understand the sentiment, refusing to cooperate simply plays right into Trump's hands. 'The States refuse to cooperate! Proof there's a cover-up!'

 

 

I don't think so.

 

Many of those states which have refused and given Trump a poke in the eye by telling him he's dreaming, are GOP strongholds.

 

It's not an issue he should force, as hard as is obviously is for him to accept that he didn't win the popular vote.


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  # 1813947 6-Jul-2017 15:27
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Kim Jong-Un was educated outside North Korea, I am sure he is aware of what he is up against if he were to attack the US, Japan or South Korea so like you I do not believe he will start something on a whim. I feel that a lot of this is for internal consumption in order to consolidate his power base. What scares me more is a Coup or an assassination that leaves a power vacuum in North Korea and a military junta of aging Generals takes over. Any action that Trump takes will have to take that into account in order to stop the North's arsenal control  becoming decentralised.

 

 

I don't think  he would start something on a whim. He might start something on the paranoid delusion that he was about to be taken out by the USA or some other power though.

 

He may have been educated outside for a while, but he's spent most of his life in the situation of effectively being a living god and all the conditioning that applies. I think it would dangerous to assume he thinks about things rationally, especially when his behaviour is not rational.

 

 


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  # 1813949 6-Jul-2017 15:28
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SaltyNZ:

 

Whilst I understand the sentiment, refusing to cooperate simply plays right into Trump's hands. 'The States refuse to cooperate! Proof there's a cover-up!'

 

 

I respectfully disagree. Not with most of your other posts, but I think you have this one wrong. Trump or those pulling his strings are systematically trying to dismantle democratic institutions and procedures. I think it is very important to make a stand against this creeping authoritarianism and that is what the officials of these states are doing. An investigation into possible voter fraud is okay. The kind of highly sensitive personal information being demanded is not.

 

 





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  # 1813950 6-Jul-2017 15:31
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As far as DPRK and sanctions go, Trump seems to be seriously surprised that Xi and Putin aren't really playing ball.  Sanctions restrict/ban trade in products which could be used in weapons programme, China suspended coal imports from DPRK, but overall trade between DPRK and both Russia and PRC has significantly increased this year.

 

Trump is going to learn a lesson that Russia and China will not do what he says - regardless of (in the case of Xi) supposedly having a "great" meeting at Mar-a-Lago.

 

Neither want a united Korea if that means continued US presence on their border.


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  # 1813952 6-Jul-2017 15:33
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Rikkitic:

 

I think it is very important to make a stand against this creeping authoritarianism and that is what the officials of these states are doing. An investigation into possible voter fraud is okay. The kind of highly sensitive personal information being demanded is not. 

 

 

 

 

Well, let me clarify: I actually agree with you. But Trump would use refusal to cooperate as an opportunity to cry proof of a cover-up. So it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. As you know, I generally lean very much towards personal privacy, but honestly I'm in two minds about this one. They should never give away private information, but in the interests of shutting up Donald Trump I feel like they should bend over backwards in every other aspect.





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