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  # 1822257 14-Jul-2017 09:25
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Fred99:

 

The demographics behind that name change make a remarkable statement about how divided America is:

 

 

The biggest surprise there is that Fox has the highest "trustworthiness" rating among independents, I wouldn't have expected that.


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  # 1822313 14-Jul-2017 10:28
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You are talking about America. Fox has bamboozled a lot of people there. Also, 'independent' does not necessarily mean 'progressive'. A lot of those people may rank Fox with the 'liberal' media. The real alt-right is convinced that everything is a huge government conspiracy.

 

 





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  # 1822344 14-Jul-2017 11:09
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Rikkitic:

 

You are talking about America. Fox has bamboozled a lot of people there. Also, 'independent' does not necessarily mean 'progressive'. A lot of those people may rank Fox with the 'liberal' media.

 

 

My brother lives in the USA and voted for Trump. He's not stupid or racist or sexist or xenophobic or islamophobic. The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

Despite me, um, "sharing my concerns" about Trump, I believe my brother still supports him (although the vehemence seems to have dropped a notch). One argument that he used was that we outsiders are fed a diet of distortion and fake news by CNN et al. And, having recently visited there, I can confirm that the news we see *is* different from what they see. For one thing, there's a lot more Trump on our news than theirs. And of course Trump news is all negative (there being no actual positives, IMHO). But my point is that we are equally bamboozled by whatever news sources we rely on. It could even be that Fox is right.

 

Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.

 

 

The real alt-right is convinced that everything is a huge government conspiracy.

 

 

The alt.left too. ;)

 

 


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  # 1822346 14-Jul-2017 11:09
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Fred99:

The demographics behind that name change make a remarkable statement about how divided America is:



Have to ask what proportion of Americans have cable TV. Not all of those are FTA.

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  # 1822358 14-Jul-2017 11:21
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frankv:

 

Rikkitic:

 

You are talking about America. Fox has bamboozled a lot of people there. Also, 'independent' does not necessarily mean 'progressive'. A lot of those people may rank Fox with the 'liberal' media.

 

 

My brother lives in the USA and voted for Trump. He's not stupid or racist or sexist or xenophobic or islamophobic. The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

Despite me, um, "sharing my concerns" about Trump, I believe my brother still supports him (although the vehemence seems to have dropped a notch). One argument that he used was that we outsiders are fed a diet of distortion and fake news by CNN et al. And, having recently visited there, I can confirm that the news we see *is* different from what they see. For one thing, there's a lot more Trump on our news than theirs. And of course Trump news is all negative (there being no actual positives, IMHO). But my point is that we are equally bamboozled by whatever news sources we rely on. It could even be that Fox is right.

 

Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.

 

 

The real alt-right is convinced that everything is a huge government conspiracy.

 

 

The alt.left too. ;)

 

 

 

 

What I bolded is what I have always thought. Its a common issue in elections when one party has been in power for a while. Plus, not being a politician can easily be seen as a positive, especially given how Americans view politicians in general


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  # 1822369 14-Jul-2017 11:38
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@frankv:

 

Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.

 

 

What people seem to ignore is that a Constitution is as good as the people defending it. How many times we've seen countries with good Constitutions just going down the path of dictatorships? A weak leader, a revolt and some opportunist that can claim "I alone can solve this!" followed by "But I need you to understand some changes are needed" and down goes the Constitution...





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  # 1822382 14-Jul-2017 11:47
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frankv:The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

That I can almost understand. What I don't understand is the continued support now that after several months in office he has proven to be ineffective at best.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1822440 14-Jul-2017 13:05
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freitasm:

 

@frankv:

 

Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.

 

 

What people seem to ignore is that a Constitution is as good as the people defending it. How many times we've seen countries with good Constitutions just going down the path of dictatorships? A weak leader, a revolt and some opportunist that can claim "I alone can solve this!" followed by "But I need you to understand some changes are needed" and down goes the Constitution...

 

 

All I can say is that so far it seems to be working. Trump has (so far) proved to be quite ineffectual when it comes to actually implementing his changes. The States, the Supreme Court, the DOJ; all seem to be keeping him in line.

 

 

 

 


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  # 1822458 14-Jul-2017 13:20
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frankv:The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

That I can almost understand. What I don't understand is the continued support now that after several months in office he has proven to be ineffective at best.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not saying I fully understand it either.

 

I suspect there's some confirmation bias; people see in Trump what they want to see.

 

And that there's a patriotic, nationalistic aspect; it's seen as disrespectful to your country to diss its leader. Plus, a country should unite behind its leader, even if they disagree with him.

 

And no-one wants to admit they've made a mistake; sit it out for another 3.5 years and they'll never have to do that. Especially since he's been ineffective. You can blame his impotence on the Dems and the SCOTUS and anyone else, and sing the praises of the pie in the sky that would surely have come to be if it hadn't been for all those negative people. Whilst privately being glad he's being prevented from doing any real harm, and counting down to November 2020.

 

 


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  # 1822487 14-Jul-2017 14:12
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frankv:

 

Paul1977:

 

frankv:The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

That I can almost understand. What I don't understand is the continued support now that after several months in office he has proven to be ineffective at best.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not saying I fully understand it either.

 

I suspect there's some confirmation bias; people see in Trump what they want to see.

 

 

You mention this in a couple of paragraphs later but reality is that not many people are tall enough to stand up and say "I was wrong, and I voted for the wrong ideas".

 

frankv:

 

And that there's a patriotic, nationalistic aspect; it's seen as disrespectful to your country to diss its leader. Plus, a country should unite behind its leader, even if they disagree with him.

 

 

And that's the worst thing... Patriotism is not following the leader blindly. Patriotism is the support of one's country, not of one's President. You can respect the Office but not necessarily have respect by the occupant of the office. 

 

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson. Regardless it's absolutely true. If one sees that their country is being taken the utmost patriotic action is to show dissent.





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  # 1822990 15-Jul-2017 18:00
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Apparently Trumpy said this about his dad: "Back in the early 2000s, my father starting losing his grip on reality. He started to believe that everyone was out to get him."


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  # 1823000 15-Jul-2017 18:49
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DarthKermit:

 

Apparently Trumpy said this about his dad: "Back in the early 2000s, my father starting losing his grip on reality. He started to believe that everyone was out to get him."

 

 

No, Trump didn't say that. This quote comes from this article and the author is talking about her dad, not Trump talking about his dad. Read again for context.





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  # 1823020 15-Jul-2017 20:37
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freitasm:

 

DarthKermit:

 

Apparently Trumpy said this about his dad: "Back in the early 2000s, my father starting losing his grip on reality. He started to believe that everyone was out to get him."

 

 

No, Trump didn't say that. This quote comes from this article and the author is talking about her dad, not Trump talking about his dad. Read again for context.

 

 

 

 

Proves how easy fake news is able to be propagated....


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  # 1823023 15-Jul-2017 20:54
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frankv:

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@frankv:


Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.



What people seem to ignore is that a Constitution is as good as the people defending it. How many times we've seen countries with good Constitutions just going down the path of dictatorships? A weak leader, a revolt and some opportunist that can claim "I alone can solve this!" followed by "But I need you to understand some changes are needed" and down goes the Constitution...



All I can say is that so far it seems to be working. Trump has (so far) proved to be quite ineffectual when it comes to actually implementing his changes. The States, the Supreme Court, the DOJ; all seem to be keeping him in line.


To some degree that is true, to some degree it isn't. Trump's 'muslim ban' is mostly a reality.

Trump's various cabinet appointments and the many appointments to other positions will be slowly but surely making changes in policy implementation.

This is a very small period in a four year term.

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