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Paul1977

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#1562088 30-May-2016 10:14

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nathan: Only a fool and the mass American sheeple think there is any difference between Trump & Hilary

The entire system is gamed. They're just a figure head. Hilary is right on many issues and Trump is left on many too.

I disagree. I am no fan of Hilary, but a vote for her is essentially a vote for 4 more years of the status quo. I maintain that that is still far preferable to a Trump lead Republican government.

A vote for Trump is, at best, a vote for a completely Republican controlled Government (House, Senate, and Executive branch). Will Trump be able to follow through with everything he is proposing? No. But it's naive to think that the President (especially when his party also controls the House and Senate) is just a figurehead with no real power.

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#1562236 30-May-2016 12:05

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A vote for Trump is, at best, a vote for a completely Republican controlled Government (House, Senate, and Executive branch). Will Trump be able to follow through with everything he is proposing? No. But it's naive to think that the President (especially when his party also controls the House and Senate) is just a figurehead with no real power.

I figure he'll be just a figurehead, but a figurehead controlled by the Republican Party. Just like a Democrat president, he'll have to haggle and horse-trade with Congress (i.e. the Republican Party) to get anything that *he* wants done. OTOH, I doubt that Congress will have to haggle much with him to get stuff that the Republican Party wants done.

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#1562261 30-May-2016 12:19

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SaltyNZ: I wish they'd just hurry up and elect him so we can get the apocalypse under way. This suspense is torture.

Il be on CNN that night. Dang, if I had Sky back. Is there a free CNN stream?

There aren't many working CNN streams but I just stumbled across one. It is on TVPlayer. Of course you need a DNS proxy.

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#1562383 30-May-2016 15:13

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frankv:

I figure he'll be just a figurehead, but a figurehead controlled by the Republican Party. Just like a Democrat president, he'll have to haggle and horse-trade with Congress (i.e. the Republican Party) to get anything that *he* wants done. OTOH, I doubt that Congress will have to haggle much with him to get stuff that the Republican Party wants done.

That's if the Rep party can control him and thus far it appears they cannot. The true test of Trump's power (assuming he is elected) will come when legislation hits congress and the senate; He could very well see both houses strike down much of his legislation.

Strolling through Walmart today you realise just how dependant the US is on low-cost Chinese & Mexican made products. Will his supporters be prepared to pay several 100% more for these products due to US labour costs? Do they understand what the implications will be for US made products and services exported to foreign countries, post revocation of bi-lateral trade agreements?

I also wonder what impact such a fiasco will do to the Rep party in the long term?

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#1562420 30-May-2016 16:13

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That's if the Rep party can control him and thus far it appears they cannot. The true test of Trump's power (assuming he is elected) will come when legislation hits congress and the senate; He could very well see both houses strike down much of his legislation.

Yup... that's pretty much what I expect. He'll have to rule by decree.

Strolling through Walmart today you realise just how dependant the US is on low-cost Chinese & Mexican made products. Will his supporters be prepared to pay several 100% more for these products due to US labour costs?

Not to mention the dependency of the US on cheap illegal Mexican labour for their vege farming, domestic cleaners, and other low-paid jobs.

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#1562469 30-May-2016 16:56

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nathan: Only a fool and the mass American sheeple think there is any difference between Trump & Hilary

The entire system is gamed. They're just a figure head. Hilary is right on many issues and Trump is left on many too.

I disagree. I am no fan of Hilary, but a vote for her is essentially a vote for 4 more years of the status quo. I maintain that that is still far preferable to a Trump lead Republican government.

A vote for Trump is, at best, a vote for a completely Republican controlled Government (House, Senate, and Executive branch). Will Trump be able to follow through with everything he is proposing? No. But it's naive to think that the President (especially when his party also controls the House and Senate) is just a figurehead with no real power.

Obamas Hopey Changey stuff is rubbish. It's marketing. Nothing changed here.

The mass population here is completely isolated and alienated by politicians because both sides are heavily funded by elites like financial services companies. The 2 parties here are BS

Meanwhile the Libertarians here just selected their candidates who have more executive experience than both Clinton and Trump

My prediction. Hilary gets indicted for email server stuff. Biden gets parachuted in to try to save. Trump gets elected el presidente

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#1562485 30-May-2016 17:12

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nathan: <snip>

The mass population here is completely isolated and alienated by politicians because both sides are heavily funded by elites like financial services companies. The 2 parties here are BS

Meanwhile the Libertarians here just selected their candidates who have more executive experience than both Clinton and Trump

<snip>

I am confused.

By "here" do you mean the USA or New Zealand?

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#1562492 30-May-2016 17:18

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nathan: <snip>

The mass population here is completely isolated and alienated by politicians because both sides are heavily funded by elites like financial services companies. The 2 parties here are BS

Meanwhile the Libertarians here just selected their candidates who have more executive experience than both Clinton and Trump

<snip>

I am confused.

By "here" do you mean the USA or New Zealand?

Nathan is residing in the USA

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#1562495 30-May-2016 17:20

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Yep sorry confusion. I live in America. No I can't vote as I'm not a citizen (yet) but I have front row seats to this years big match

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#1562502 30-May-2016 17:34

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Meanwhile the Libertarians here just selected their candidates who have more executive experience than both Clinton and Trump

Whose presidential candidate was heckled at their convention at the weekend because he had the nerve to suggest that anybody who gets behind the wheel of a car should have a basic level of competence as indicated by a licence.

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#1562505 30-May-2016 17:41

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It's turning into quite the sideshow

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#1562512 30-May-2016 17:53

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nathan:

Obamas Hopey Changey stuff is rubbish. It's marketing. Nothing changed here.

Sounds like you are drinking the Republican parties kool-aid.

Nothing changed under Obama?

- Obamacare has given 10s of millions of people access to health care.

- He has done a lot to turn around the american deficit and created a lot of new jobs while in office.

- Lesbians and gays have been given the right to marry.

- Opened up for trade and travel to Cuba

Did he manage to do everything he said he would? No, but then the american president is not a dictator that can overrule the congress. During his 8 year as president the congress has done less than any other since 1973. Earning them a 15% approval rating. All thanks to the Republican Party. Any voter that hold democracy high should really punish the Republican party for that.

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#1562532 30-May-2016 18:17

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I don't support either side GOP or Democrats, and I don't listen to the GOP BS in particular.

They are essentially one in the same IMHO

You'll find just as many people here hating on the medical insurance changes

But it's none of my business, not my country, I can't vote even though I pay taxes.

It's just a comment on marketing politicians. Now Trump is using the power of persuasion

Crazy Bernie. Crooked Hilary. Little Marco. Lyin' Ted. Low Energy Jeb.

It's fun watching. How do America get to this craziness.

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#1562544 30-May-2016 18:47

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Nothing changed under Obama?

- Obamacare has given 10s of millions of people access to health care.

- He has done a lot to turn around the american deficit and created a lot of new jobs while in office.

- Lesbians and gays have been given the right to marry.

- Opened up for trade and travel to Cuba

<snip>

Trump will probably undo all of that in his first year of office, if not sooner.

Unless he has accidentally started World War III, in which case it will all be irrelevant.

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#1562610 30-May-2016 19:57

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nathan:

Only a fool and the mass American sheeple think there is any difference between Trump & Hilary

The entire system is gamed. They're just a figure head. Hilary is right on many issues and Trump is left on many too.

Personally I think Trump will win and will turn into a popular figure like Regan v2. Hilary has dug a massive hole for herself (she's part of the elite, email scandals, Benghazi, charging $M for speeches to Wall St) and in polls Trump has just crossed over her approval rating.

I agree Clinton is flawed....but I'd put that down to having voted for the invasion of Iraq. Big mistake. One that Sanders didn't make.

As for the email server.....it's a bogus issue. Compared to what Bush and Cheney were up to playing fast and loose with classified document - and got away with - Clinton looks like saint.

Benghazi? The Republican Congress cut funding for security at embassies...then blames Clinton. In any case, there is no way of knowing if anything might have been done to avoid / stop a large-scale attack by local militants. But maybe if Bush hadn't lied about WMD several hundred thousand people might still be alive.....including over 4,500 American soldiers. But the Republicans give their own major war criminals a free pass.

Charging for speeches? All major public figures charge for speeches. This is utterly normal.

All these issues are extremely weak tea imagined into importance by cynical Republicans.....who ignore the monstrous crimes their own leaders ACTUALLY committed.

As for Trump...if he becomes President it will be sign for the rest of the world that the United States has achieved "Idiocracy" (see the movie if you haven't) 500 years ahead of schedule.

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