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#1847271 15-Aug-2017 20:09

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Trump's response in full:

"Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans"

Translation: Black Lives Matter and other protesters are racist criminal thugs, and including as an afterthought the KKK, neo-nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups.

[Transcript: USA Today]

Trump had to go a lot further than the governor of Virginia by a long way for this to be a success. He didn't. even. catch. up.

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#1847295 15-Aug-2017 21:03

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I have to say I'm pleased by how much Trump managed to squeeze out, and I think that's a reflection of pressure on Trump from Virginia, Pence, and the recent resignations from his business council leading up to that speech. But most of all, from the people there on the day:

Guardian: Her boss at the law firm said she had attended Saturday’s counter-demonstration to send a clear message to neo-Nazis and Ku Klux Klan sympathizers that people in her hometown abhor their views. She was “a very strong, very opinionated young woman” who “made known that she was all about equality”, Alfred Wilson told Reuters.

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#1847394 16-Aug-2017 09:43

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Are we watching America or Iraq? Very sad indeed.

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#1847398 16-Aug-2017 09:51

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A giant, inflatable Trump Rat appears in New York City

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https://twitter.com/i/moments/897192011572183040

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#1847418 16-Aug-2017 10:35

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DaveB:

Are we watching America or Iraq? Very sad indeed.

We maybe seeing the start of something that could boil out of control and the US does not have a leader capable or motivated to do anything about it.

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#1847427 16-Aug-2017 10:50

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MikeB4:

We maybe seeing the start of something that could boil out of control and the US does not have a leader capable or motivated to do anything about it.

Quite the opposite. It'll give him the impetus to declare martial law, and suspend democratic elections until calm can be restored.

We are witnessing a true test of America's much lauded democracy. Here's hoping it is indeed strong enough to weather this.

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#1847430 16-Aug-2017 10:56

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dclegg:

MikeB4:

We maybe seeing the start of something that could boil out of control and the US does not have a leader capable or motivated to do anything about it.

Quite the opposite. It'll give him the impetus to declare martial law, and suspend democratic elections until calm can be restored.

We are witnessing a true test of America's much lauded democracy. Here's hoping it is indeed strong enough to weather this.

except that is not doing anything to calm it and stop it, it is inciting it.

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#1847442 16-Aug-2017 11:08

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Trump doubles down on Charlottesville response

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#1847455 16-Aug-2017 11:26

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DaveB:

The interesting conclusion I came to, after watching the unrelenting CNN US, MSNBC and Fox US news feeds on this over the past few days, is that we have opposing sides filled with pure vicious anger and blind hate. Alt right, alt left, liberal lefties, right swingers? They are all as bad as each other!

It is so sad to see what is going on, slowly spreading outside the US and infesting some good social media and discussion sites. Sad indeed.

By that are you trying to suggest that CNN, MSNBC are promoting vicious anger as an "opposing side" to Trump's behaviour?

No - they're not "as bad as each other".

Forgetting policy or position - left or right - Trump is a dirty filthy liar. It's that simple. That some don't like to be told that their President is a dirty filthy liar doesn't change the fact that he is.

I'm pleased that at least outside the US, condemnation of Trump is nearly unanimous. If social media has a part in that - then good job.

I think you have misunderstood my thoughts and for the record, lets make a couple of things clear. I dislike Fox News and quite enjoy CNN International. I was talking about the US Feeds (CNN US is quite different to the international version). The major US (feeds) news channels are unrelenting about their coverage of Trump - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week either supporting or condemning Trump's presidency. Literally no other news - just Trump, Trump and more Trump. And that sort of coverage is unhealthy. I have been watching these US feeds for 7 months now and I cannot believe what I am watching.

And we are seeing a resurgence of the alt-right - many would say (and I agree), due to Trump. But we are also seeing the growth of Antifa in the US - the left wing militant group. Antifa is dangerous, just as dangerous as the alt right. Hence my comment "They are all as bad as each other". I also suspect this is where Trumps "two sides to every story" is coming from. I note this morning he went back to that stance outside Trump Tower.

I agree with your other comments, but social media is not helping one way. Social networking is being successfully used to cultivate disenfranchised progressives who heretofore were peaceful.

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#1847456 16-Aug-2017 11:29

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dclegg: Thanks for the link about Pence:

http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a10322699/mike-pence-better-donald-trump/

Brilliant editorial. If you haven't watched it, do it now.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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#1847465 16-Aug-2017 11:48

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dclegg:

Trump doubles down on Charlottesville response

Here is the full 15 minute version. Includes a reporter question "Race relations in America. Do you think they have got better or worse since you took office"? Trump: "I think they've gotten better" was the immediate response he gave without thinking!

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#1847613 16-Aug-2017 14:53

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Trumps about face today is despicable, especially as leader of US. This is a new low in my mind and just proves that the guy is severely unhinged and has no rapport with the average person and shouldnt be trusted with nuclear keys, or any keys for that matter.

America must now make it impossible for this guy to stay in the job. Not sure what I am calling for here...but something needs to happen.

I guess its an interesting time to be alive as this presidency will go down in history as a huge negative for many generations to come.

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#1847672 16-Aug-2017 16:44

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dclegg:

Trump doubles down on Charlottesville response

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#1847718 16-Aug-2017 18:16

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DaveB:

Fred99:

DaveB:

The interesting conclusion I came to, after watching the unrelenting CNN US, MSNBC and Fox US news feeds on this over the past few days, is that we have opposing sides filled with pure vicious anger and blind hate. Alt right, alt left, liberal lefties, right swingers? They are all as bad as each other!

It is so sad to see what is going on, slowly spreading outside the US and infesting some good social media and discussion sites. Sad indeed.

By that are you trying to suggest that CNN, MSNBC are promoting vicious anger as an "opposing side" to Trump's behaviour?

No - they're not "as bad as each other".

Forgetting policy or position - left or right - Trump is a dirty filthy liar. It's that simple. That some don't like to be told that their President is a dirty filthy liar doesn't change the fact that he is.

I'm pleased that at least outside the US, condemnation of Trump is nearly unanimous. If social media has a part in that - then good job.

I think you have misunderstood my thoughts and for the record, lets make a couple of things clear. I dislike Fox News and quite enjoy CNN International. I was talking about the US Feeds (CNN US is quite different to the international version). The major US (feeds) news channels are unrelenting about their coverage of Trump - 24 hours a day, 7 days a week either supporting or condemning Trump's presidency. Literally no other news - just Trump, Trump and more Trump. And that sort of coverage is unhealthy. I have been watching these US feeds for 7 months now and I cannot believe what I am watching.

And we are seeing a resurgence of the alt-right - many would say (and I agree), due to Trump. But we are also seeing the growth of Antifa in the US - the left wing militant group. Antifa is dangerous, just as dangerous as the alt right. Hence my comment "They are all as bad as each other". I also suspect this is where Trumps "two sides to every story" is coming from. I note this morning he went back to that stance outside Trump Tower.

I agree with your other comments, but social media is not helping one way. Social networking is being successfully used to cultivate disenfranchised progressives who heretofore were peaceful.

I don't believe they're "as bad as each other".

If the alt:right - but particularly the organised white nationalist fascists didn't exist, there'd be no "antifa".

Many of the fascist leaders wear "MAGA" caps - Trump knows exactly what'll happen to his approval ratings if he dumps Bannon from his team. Trump's half-arsed belated condemnation - which blamed the MSM and protesters is a disgrace.

Sorry but I don't believe that there even exists an organised "antifa" - that smacks of the delusion by many on the alt:right that George Soros is funding an antifa movement in order to overthrow the Trump regime. Lots of people have good reason to oppose fascism. Not all of them will be content to use only words.

There's good reason why the MSM are fixated with Trump - he is far too close to fascism - and that includes his repeated threats against the MSM.

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#1847724 16-Aug-2017 18:30

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Mitt Romney doesn't believe they're "as bad as each other" either:

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