Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#1882402 12-Oct-2017 12:12

Personally, I find it comforting to believe that someone in the basement has managed to tweak the nuclear codes so that Trump's button won't work.

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

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#1882405 12-Oct-2017 12:19

Pumpedd:

Rikkitic:

It is entertaining to highlight Trump's obvious deficiencies, but in truth I find all of this profoundly depressing. Even if the world manages to avoid an actual nuclear war, things will never be the same again, or even close. I see everything I value in a civilised society being extinguished. I wonder if this was how thinking people in Germany felt in 1932.

You are being rather negative. I trust people, and I am sure in the medium to long term things will smooth out. The world deals with tyrants in a slow but measured way. After-all we had Muldoon and survived. I believe people learn from the error of their ways, but history never forgets. Take Japan as an example and even Germany.

In terms of the world Trump is only here for a very short time, and I trust that lots of powerful people are plotting now to see that he doesnt stay President for too long. There will be dozens of forum threads like this one in America as well. Also remember the media these days seems to only report opinion and facts can be scarce.

He will be President until at least 2020. Talk of impeachment has all but disappeared.

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#1882429 12-Oct-2017 12:58

MikeB4:

Pumpedd:

Rikkitic:

It is entertaining to highlight Trump's obvious deficiencies, but in truth I find all of this profoundly depressing. Even if the world manages to avoid an actual nuclear war, things will never be the same again, or even close. I see everything I value in a civilised society being extinguished. I wonder if this was how thinking people in Germany felt in 1932.

You are being rather negative. I trust people, and I am sure in the medium to long term things will smooth out. The world deals with tyrants in a slow but measured way. After-all we had Muldoon and survived. I believe people learn from the error of their ways, but history never forgets. Take Japan as an example and even Germany.

In terms of the world Trump is only here for a very short time, and I trust that lots of powerful people are plotting now to see that he doesnt stay President for too long. There will be dozens of forum threads like this one in America as well. Also remember the media these days seems to only report opinion and facts can be scarce.

He will be President until at least 2020. Talk of impeachment has all but disappeared.

I'm not sure about that. Talk of impeachment may not be getting much press, but it's still a possibility. Slow and messy though.

There are also other possibilities - he might quit (unlikely due to his personality disorder) or be removed from office under the 25th Amendment. There are claims that from within the WH they're talking about it. The VP would need to support it.

former chief strategist Steve Bannon told Trump that the risk to his presidency wasn’t impeachment, but the 25th Amendment—the provision by which a majority of the Cabinet can vote to remove the president. When Bannon mentioned the 25th Amendment, Trump said, “What’s that?” According to a source, Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term.

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#1882430 12-Oct-2017 12:59

MikeB4:

He will be President until at least 2020. Talk of impeachment has all but disappeared.

This is only true of the mainstream media. If you listen to various political and media commentators following the Mueller investigation, you get a completely different picture.

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#1882438 12-Oct-2017 13:22

Trump doubling down on his "shut down the press" rhetoric. From 10 minutes ago...

Network news has become so partisan, distorted and fake that licenses must be challenged and, if appropriate, revoked. Not fair to public!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 12, 2017

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#1882441 12-Oct-2017 13:39

Rikkitic:

It is entertaining to highlight Trump's obvious deficiencies, but in truth I find all of this profoundly depressing. Even if the world manages to avoid an actual nuclear war, things will never be the same again, or even close. I see everything I value in a civilised society being extinguished. I wonder if this was how thinking people in Germany felt in 1932.

No need for concern. You're just witnessing the accelerated decline of the US. It's destined for the same scrap heap that the UK climbed into.

China will soon fly past the US economically and as a consequence militarily too some time later. It is good that NZ is strategically aligning ourselves with China and other South East Asian countries, not only will it be business as usual in the decades to come, we'll see or economic lot increase exponentially.

We successfully shifted away from the UK in a past, we'll do the same to the US.

This is an opportunity, not a challenge.

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#1882834 13-Oct-2017 10:16

Trump Attacks Puerto Rico, Threatens To Pull Emergency Responders

President Donald Trump slammed Puerto Rico on Thursday, saying its power grid and infrastructure were a "disaster" before two hurricanes hit last month and he threatened to pull federal emergency management workers from the storm-ravaged island.

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#1882849 13-Oct-2017 10:30

Former Republican member of congress: 'Trump is unhinged. We are waiting to get tax bill through before impeachment'

'He’s not listening to anyone. Not a soul. He’s got the nuclear codes and, well, it scares the hell out of me. It’s starting to scare all of them'

Republicans are waiting to pass their tax-reform bill before they move to impeach Donald Trump, a former Republican member of Congress reportedly told a former US labour secretary.

In a Facebook post, Robert Reich said the former senator, an old friend of his, told him Republicans are "just praying Trump doesn't do something really, really stupid before the tax bill."

Remember, it's Friday 13 today

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#1882850 13-Oct-2017 10:30

Republicans are putting their tax cut agenda ahead of the prospect of an unstable President capable of triggering a nuclear war.

Quite the conversation Robert Reich had with a former Republican member of Congress. This is worth a read. pic.twitter.com/PiBKFlSRf7

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 12, 2017

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#1882851 13-Oct-2017 10:33

Sideface:

Former Republican member of congress: 'Trump is unhinged. We are waiting to get tax bill through before impeachment'

'He’s not listening to anyone. Not a soul. He’s got the nuclear codes and, well, it scares the hell out of me. It’s starting to scare all of them'

SNAP! :-)

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#1882859 13-Oct-2017 10:42

dclegg:

Republicans are putting their tax cut agenda ahead of the prospect of an unstable President capable of triggering a nuclear war.

The cynical view:

Is it possible that this rumour is being spread by Republicans to encourage Democrats to support their tax cuts, in the hope of getting rid of Trump sooner rather than later?

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#1882862 13-Oct-2017 10:44

Sideface:

Former Republican member of congress: 'Trump is unhinged. We are waiting to get tax bill through before impeachment'

'He’s not listening to anyone. Not a soul. He’s got the nuclear codes and, well, it scares the hell out of me. It’s starting to scare all of them'

This actually begs the question... When does have the responsibility of putting pressure on the US to do something about Trump? If he is capable of triggering a nuclear war, and that has the possibility of drastically harming the world (especially if things escalate), should other nations be saying "America, sort your crap out and remove this unstable man from power"?

The problem with this is that many in the US may see this as an attack on their nations sovereignty, and that may force many to rally behind Trump, regardless of their prior feelings for the man or their current political affiliations.

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#1882864 13-Oct-2017 10:45

Sideface:

The cynical view:

Is it possible that this rumour is being spread by Republicans to encourage Democrats to support their tax cuts, in the hope of getting rid of Trump sooner rather than later?

That did cross my mind. Political blackmail. "You want rid of Trump? Support our tax reform plans."

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#1882883 13-Oct-2017 11:25

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#1882933 13-Oct-2017 12:11

dclegg:

Republicans are putting their tax cut agenda ahead of the prospect of an unstable President capable of triggering a nuclear war.

But if they remove him from office, they will have Pence. I doubt he would derail a tax cut agenda. If somehow they take out Pence and Trump together they will have President Paul Ryan. He certainly won't block any attempt to cut taxes for the wealthy.

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