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  #1931675 7-Jan-2018 12:37
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Mental illness is not a comedy subject or a means to mock.


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  #1931681 7-Jan-2018 13:02
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MikeB4:

 

Mental illness is not a comedy subject or a means to mock.

 

 

It is when you are running the largest democracy in the world.


 
 
 
 


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  #1931713 7-Jan-2018 13:20
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Overheard in the Whitehouse:

"Like, if I was a moron you'd tell me?"

"Oh, of course, Mister President."

"Because you know I'm a genius, right? How else could I get here?"

"Oh, you're such a genius. No one has ever been such a genius in the White House. Other people have said to me: 'Wow, that guy's genius is almost intimidating, if he wasn't so clever too! Wow, what a great guy and so smart."

"Good, good. Ha, of course I am! More of dirty Clinton tricks."

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  #1931720 7-Jan-2018 13:44
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Pumpedd:

MikeB4:


Mental illness is not a comedy subject or a means to mock.



It is when you are running the largest democracy in the world.



No it is not. It says more about the abuser than it does the target. Would it be okay to mock FDR because he used a wheelchair?

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  #1931740 7-Jan-2018 14:28
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That is a bad example, Mike. FDR was beyond any possible question a man of great courage, strength, wisdom and vision. His life was an example to be followed. Trump is merely deranged. Once he is securely locked away in an institution, we can sympathise over his extremely unfortunate condition. Until then he needs to be mercilessly mocked in every way possible until he is driven from the seat of power. As long as he has the tools to seriously damage and even destroy the world as his disposal, every possible means, including derision, must be employed to neutralise him.

 

 





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  #1931744 7-Jan-2018 14:33
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Rikkitic:

 

That is a bad example, Mike. FDR was beyond any possible question a man of great courage, strength, wisdom and vision. His life was an example to be followed. Trump is merely deranged. Once he is securely locked away in an institution, we can sympathise over his extremely unfortunate condition. Until then he needs to be mercilessly mocked in every way possible until he is driven from the seat of power. As long as he has the tools to seriously damage and even destroy the world as his disposal, every possible means, including derision, must be employed to neutralise him.

 

 

 

 

Still does not excuse using ridicule, insults etc based on disability and illness.

 

 


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  #1931752 7-Jan-2018 15:24
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MikeB4:

 

Still does not excuse using ridicule, insults etc based on disability and illness.

 

 

 

 

I think the difference here is that he is putting himself out there to be mocked. For FDR, being a wheelchair was entirely incidental to everything else. He didn't, for example, continually enter himself in 100m sprints only to fall over at the starting line. Donald Trump intentionally aggrandises himself at every opportunity that presents, and demands to have further opportunities created. He is almost literally standing on a box screaming 'Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!'. That behaviour is completely deserving of mockery.

 

Personally, the fact that this person is also the sole authority in ordering a world-ending nuclear strike means it deserves much more serious attention than mockery, I think, but whatever attention can be drawn to bring attention to the fact that it's this man in charge is fair game.





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  #1931756 7-Jan-2018 15:51
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The Guardian - Donald Trump mounts extraordinary defence of his 'mental stability'

 

extracts:

 

 

In an extraordinary public defence of his own mental stability, Donald Trump issued a volley of tweets that seemed guaranteed to add fuel to a raging political fire. ...

 

The White House press secretary, Sarah Sanders, has said Trump will undergo his annual physical examination on Friday 12 January. The results are due to be made public.

 

 

Note the term"physical examination".

This does not necessarily include a psychiatric assessment, which may be just as relevant as Trump's poor physical condition.





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  #1931760 7-Jan-2018 16:04
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Some of the best comedians including Billy Connolly all make fun of their own disabilities. They don't do it to make money but rather to entertain and perhaps enlighten the audiences about their illnesses. Sometimes laughing or joking about something is indeed good medicine and perhaps helps keep us sane.

 

I myself have conditions I will not discuss here, but I am happy to call idiots like Trump mentally retarded or deranged as I can not offer any other reasoning for their behavior. A man who is in charge of the largest military arsenal in the world and shows as many signs of illness as he has, should not be in any public office.

 

We are not making fun of mental illness but rather the person who clearly has a mental illness that has his finger on the triggers.

 

 


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  #1931778 7-Jan-2018 17:05
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Pumpedd:

 

Some of the best comedians including Billy Connolly all make fun of their own disabilities. They don't do it to make money but rather to entertain and perhaps enlighten the audiences about their illnesses. Sometimes laughing or joking about something is indeed good medicine and perhaps helps keep us sane.

 

 

 

I myself have conditions I will not discuss here, but I am happy to call idiots like Trump mentally retarded or deranged as I can not offer any other reasoning for their behavior. A man who is in charge of the largest military arsenal in the world and shows as many signs of illness as he has, should not be in any public office.

 

 

 

We are not making fun of mental illness but rather the person who clearly has a mental illness that has his finger on the triggers.

 

 

 

 

 



Again I disagree. One can comment on or question ability to do something. That gives zero right mock, put down insult based on illness or disability. Based on your assertions Donald Trump was ok to insult and mock the disabled reporter, of course he has most and grossly out of line.

 

The highlight I added in your quote is significant, mocking and insulting  another  is not the same as joking about oneself.


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  #1931813 7-Jan-2018 19:50
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Rikkitic:

 

That is a bad example, Mike. FDR was beyond any possible question a man of great courage, strength, wisdom and vision. His life was an example to be followed. Trump is merely deranged. Once he is securely locked away in an institution, we can sympathise over his extremely unfortunate condition. Until then he needs to be mercilessly mocked in every way possible until he is driven from the seat of power. As long as he has the tools to seriously damage and even destroy the world as his disposal, every possible means, including derision, must be employed to neutralise him.

 

 

 

 

He is being mocked, no leader tales him seriously. He is doing nothing, save the tax cuts that will save his already ravaged country. He wont destroy the world, the world gives him no cred. They are just eating for him to be gone. As to NK, they just rant and tweet, no damage there either. While its trendy to mock Trump, and I agree 100%, too many give him too much credibility. Hi isnt doing much, he wont do much, and he will be gone.  


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  #1931814 7-Jan-2018 19:53
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SaltyNZ:

 

MikeB4:

 

Still does not excuse using ridicule, insults etc based on disability and illness.

 

 

 

 

I think the difference here is that he is putting himself out there to be mocked. For FDR, being a wheelchair was entirely incidental to everything else. He didn't, for example, continually enter himself in 100m sprints only to fall over at the starting line. Donald Trump intentionally aggrandises himself at every opportunity that presents, and demands to have further opportunities created. He is almost literally standing on a box screaming 'Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!'. That behaviour is completely deserving of mockery.

 

Personally, the fact that this person is also the sole authority in ordering a world-ending nuclear strike means it deserves much more serious attention than mockery, I think, but whatever attention can be drawn to bring attention to the fact that it's this man in charge is fair game.

 

 

Mockery yes. He is not the sole authority to send a world ending nuclear strike. 


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  #1931845 7-Jan-2018 20:39
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I'm half way through Fire and Fury, and finding it something of a non event.  Most what is said about Trump we have heard before, and there are few surprises.  On the other hand, I have learned a lot about Steve Bannon, and a fair bit about some of the other players like Reince Priebus.  It is telling that a lot of what we have seen in reviews of the book comes from the first few pages, but perhaps with the early publication, the pre-release copies did not get to the press in time.  Getting back to Trump, perhaps I am a bit surprised.  He is apparently — according to the book — even more childish and incapable than I thought.  We have heard that he does not read briefings, but apparently he barely reads at all.  He can just about read the banner headlines of newspaper articles about himself — he has no interest in anything else.   Meetings with the President — even on matters of grave importance — consist of Trump doing nearly all of the talking, and telling the same stories over and over.

 

Will the book damage Trump?  I can't see it.  His grass roots, blue collar support, are so invested in him, despite most of his accomplishments since taking office will affect them negatively (health care, tax breaks for the rich) that they can't now turn their backs on him because that would be to admit that they were conned.   Another word for gullible ought to be stupid.

 

I have it as an audiobook, sourced from ABB.





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  #1931850 7-Jan-2018 20:52
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tdgeek: , too many give him too much credibility. Hi isnt doing much, he wont do much, and he will be gone.

You are missing an enormous amount of very significant things.

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  #1931880 7-Jan-2018 21:43
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See the first trailer for Stephen Colbert's Donald Trump cartoon series

 


Donald Trump claims to be a, like, really smart, very stable genius.

 

Some would beg to differ, including Stephen Colbert. In fact, he’d like to show you just how far off-base that is with a 10-episode Showtime animated comedy.

 

Debuting Feb. 11 at 8 p.m. ET/PT, Our Cartoon President takes you inside the White House for a closer look at the “tru-ish misadventures” of the 45th POTUS as well as his family members, advisors, and associates, right down to the ubiquitous Ted Cruz.

 

 





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