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  # 1938053 13-Jan-2018 12:14
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The arguments about economic refugees started in Europe in the 1990s. I have never really understood the logic behind this. Yes, I get that people with the biggest slice of the cake are reluctant to share (too much) with the less fortunate. I get that if borders are thrown open the better-off countries can be overwhelmed and dragged down. What I don't get is the frequent implication that economic refugees are trying to pull a fast one, to get away with something shady, to sneak in where they aren't actually eligible to go. Economic refugees are just people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children. What is so terrible about that? Is it not commendable that people look for better opportunities elsewhere in order to improve their situation?

 

Why should an accident of birth determine someone's fate? Many countries simply do not have the resources or organisation to afford their people opportunities to get ahead. Why should it be surprising that these people then look for better possibilities elsewhere? If a refugee is threatened with immediate extermination from warfare, intolerance, starvation, or some other disaster, then that refugee is considered 'genuine'. But if a refugee is merely condemned to a lifetime of grinding poverty and arbitrary discrimination with no hope of improvement, then that refugee is deemed 'economic', out to steal our jobs and profit from our prosperity. I find that perplexing.

 

 





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  # 1938076 13-Jan-2018 13:10
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Fred99:

In a "discussion" over immigration policy - which is what was going on - referring to "countries" as "sh*thole" is stereotyping to imply that individuals from entire nations (or "races") are fundamentally inferior


I don't agree that past presidents (in recent decades) would have silently thought what Trump expressed - even if many Americans do.


 


 



Does it really? Or does it mean the place they live isn't very nice and maybe they would like somewhere nicer to live? I used the word "probably" because I can't read minds. Aren't you stereotyping Americans by your final comment?




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  # 1938083 13-Jan-2018 13:15
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  # 1938092 13-Jan-2018 13:31
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Congratulagtions to @coil - this is now the longest thread on Geekzone, ever.


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Good job. Vodafone never deserved anything!!!




Haha It didn’t indeed! @freitasm how much bandwidth and storage has this thread consumed if that’s possible?

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  # 1938094 13-Jan-2018 13:33
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freitasm:

This topic started Nov 2016 just around election time. There's an older topic about a similar topic started in Jan 2016.


What you folks think about merging both topics?



Could merge them for sure. This thread was created the moment he was announced president IIRC. That one was prior to when he was a candidate.

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  # 1938097 13-Jan-2018 13:43
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Rikkitic:

 

The arguments about economic refugees started in Europe in the 1990s. I have never really understood the logic behind this. Yes, I get that people with the biggest slice of the cake are reluctant to share (too much) with the less fortunate. I get that if borders are thrown open the better-off countries can be overwhelmed and dragged down. What I don't get is the frequent implication that economic refugees are trying to pull a fast one, to get away with something shady, to sneak in where they aren't actually eligible to go. Economic refugees are just people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children. What is so terrible about that? Is it not commendable that people look for better opportunities elsewhere in order to improve their situation?

 

Why should an accident of birth determine someone's fate? Many countries simply do not have the resources or organisation to afford their people opportunities to get ahead. Why should it be surprising that these people then look for better possibilities elsewhere? If a refugee is threatened with immediate extermination from warfare, intolerance, starvation, or some other disaster, then that refugee is considered 'genuine'. But if a refugee is merely condemned to a lifetime of grinding poverty and arbitrary discrimination with no hope of improvement, then that refugee is deemed 'economic', out to steal our jobs and profit from our prosperity. I find that perplexing.

 

 

 

 

The USA is perplexing:

 


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  # 1938142 13-Jan-2018 14:43
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Rikkitic:

The arguments about economic refugees started in Europe in the 1990s. I have never really understood the logic behind this. Yes, I get that people with the biggest slice of the cake are reluctant to share (too much) with the less fortunate. I get that if borders are thrown open the better-off countries can be overwhelmed and dragged down. What I don't get is the frequent implication that economic refugees are trying to pull a fast one, to get away with something shady, to sneak in where they aren't actually eligible to go. Economic refugees are just people trying to make a better life for themselves and their children. What is so terrible about that? Is it not commendable that people look for better opportunities elsewhere in order to improve their situation?


Why should an accident of birth determine someone's fate? Many countries simply do not have the resources or organisation to afford their people opportunities to get ahead. Why should it be surprising that these people then look for better possibilities elsewhere? If a refugee is threatened with immediate extermination from warfare, intolerance, starvation, or some other disaster, then that refugee is considered 'genuine'. But if a refugee is merely condemned to a lifetime of grinding poverty and arbitrary discrimination with no hope of improvement, then that refugee is deemed 'economic', out to steal our jobs and profit from our prosperity. I find that perplexing.


 



Refugees are supposed to be temporary. In recent times it's become a permanent state of affairs in many instances.

Accidents of birth are also facts of life, in the same way that such accidents render some more talented, more intelligent, more beautiful, healthier, longer lived or whatever. C'est la vie.

Life is hard, then you die.





 
 
 
 


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  # 1938143 13-Jan-2018 14:43
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freitasm:

 

TLD:

 

Sideface:

 

The Story Behind TIME's President Trump 'Year One' Cover

 

January 22 2018

 

This week’s Time magazine cover features an illustration of a hair-on-fire President Donald Trump, summarizing his multi-alarm first year in office:

 

Click to see full size

 

[click to view]

 

Yes, it's real.  Visit the linkwink

 

 

Oh wow.  I am in awe of that graphic.  You can see the line of his suit, even though it is black on black, and the shirt collar despite it being white on white.  What a pity they ruined it with that grungy smoke effect.  I bet that the artist who created the design is down the pub getting drunk to get over his/her fresh out of college art director/editor insisting on adding that smoke.  It's a blooming tragedy cry

 

 

It's not a tragedy. It's showing his head in fire, like "Fire and fury" (the words used to describe sanctions against North Korea) or "Fire and Fury" the title of the book that is going around now.

 

 

Yes I know.  I'm a graphic artist and illustrator, and admire the Time cover graphic for it's simple effectiveness.  It does more with less, and infers lines that don't exists.  We see those lines because we are conditioned to know that the suit has shoulders and armsm and that the shirt has a collar because it is wearing a tie.  The tragedy I was referring to was that the graphic was diminished by the faux smoke, and I also opined that it was not the original artist who added that smoke.  A bit like if I, or another illustrator, sent you artwork, and you 'improved it using a mouse and MS Paint.

 

But surely you realized that? smile

 

BTW  I finished Fire and Fury a few days ago.  It's not a great book IMHO, and doesn't even offer up too much that we didn't already know.  I learned more about Steve Bannon and other West Wing peripheral people than I did about Trump.  Among the more interesting things that I did learn, was that the suspected UK Intelligence involvement in the suspected Trump Tower surveillance, was passed on to Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump by Tony Blair at a Rupert Murdoch function.  My wife and I had dinner with Trump supporters last night.  He is a Canadian, and she a Kiwi, and when Fire and Fury came up, he immediately denounced it as a total work of fiction. I asked if it was fiction, why did Steve Bannon feel the need to apologize if he hadn't actually said the words he apologized for?  I think the subject was changed after that. 

 

https://www.facebook.com/HuffPost/videos/582847565392728/





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  # 1938146 13-Jan-2018 14:46
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TLD:

freitasm:


TLD:


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The Story Behind TIME's President Trump 'Year One' Cover


January 22 2018


This week’s Time magazine cover features an illustration of a hair-on-fire President Donald Trump, summarizing his multi-alarm first year in office:


Click to see full size


[click to view]


Yes, it's real.  Visit the linkwink



Oh wow.  I am in awe of that graphic.  You can see the line of his suit, even though it is black on black, and the shirt collar despite it being white on white.  What a pity they ruined it with that grungy smoke effect.  I bet that the artist who created the design is down the pub getting drunk to get over his/her fresh out of college art director/editor insisting on adding that smoke.  It's a blooming tragedy cry



It's not a tragedy. It's showing his head in fire, like "Fire and fury" (the words used to describe sanctions against North Korea) or "Fire and Fury" the title of the book that is going around now.



Yes I know.  I'm a graphic artist and illustrator, and admire the Time cover graphic for it's simple effectiveness.  It does more with less, and infers lines that don't exists.  We see those lines because we are conditioned to know that the suit has shoulders and armsm and that the shirt has a collar because it is wearing a tie.  The tragedy I was referring to was that the graphic was diminished by the faux smoke, and I also opined that it was not the original artist who added that smoke.  A bit like if I, or another illustrator, sent you artwork, and you 'improved it using a mouse and MS Paint.


But surely you realized that? smile


BTW  I finished Fire and Fury a few days ago.  It's not a great book IMHO, and doesn't even offer up too much that we didn't already know.  I learned more about Steve Bannon and other West Wing peripheral people than I did about Trump.  Among the more interesting things that I did learn, was that the suspected UK Intelligence involvement in the suspected Trump Tower surveillance, was passed on to Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump by Tony Blair at a Rupert Murdoch function.  My wife and I had dinner with Trump supporters last night.  He is a Canadian, and she a Kiwi, and when Fire and Fury came up, he immediately denounced it as a total work of fiction. I asked if it was fiction, why did Steve Bannon feel the need to apologize if he hadn't actually said the words he apologized for?  I think the subject was changed after that. 


https://www.facebook.com/HuffPost/videos/582847565392728/



I seem to recall something called closure drawing from O Level art that tricks the eye in the same way.





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  # 1938184 13-Jan-2018 17:09
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Trump paid porn star $130,000 to stay silent over alleged affair – report



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/trump-affair-adult-film-star-stormy-daniels

Donald Trump’s lawyer has denied the president had an affair with an adult film star 12 years ago, but did not address a specific allegation that Trump paid her $130,000 to prevent her from discussing the encounter.

The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday that longtime Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen oversaw the payment in the final days of the 2016 presidential election.

Cohen did not address that claim in a statement to the Journal, but he denied the allegation that Trump and Stephanie Clifford, who performs under the name Stormy Daniels, had a sexual encounter in 2006, the year after he married Melania.

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  # 1938204 13-Jan-2018 17:34
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I believe Stormy-Daniels is credited with doing 493 movies/scenes...


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  # 1938237 13-Jan-2018 18:47
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kingdragonfly: Trump paid porn star $130,000 to stay silent over alleged affair – report  <snip>

 

An attorney for Clifford sent a full copy of Clifford’s statement denying the affair to BuzzFeed, dated 10 January:

 

 

Note that she signed this with her stage name, 2 days ago before the story broke.  undecided





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  # 1938324 13-Jan-2018 20:13
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Actually who cares about Trump's infidelity/conquests or any consensual relationships he may have had?

 

The only surprises there are that the christian right seem to be OK with it, when they were outraged and obsessed by Bill Clinton's (consensual) dalliance.

 

There are plenty of women claiming that he sexually assaulted them, teenagers in beauty pageants he ran claiming he behaved inappropriately, and Trump on record confirming that he bust into teenage girls' changing rooms to perve, and the famous "grab them by the pussy" comment - because he could. That is not ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1938325 13-Jan-2018 20:16
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Geektastic:

Accidents of birth are also facts of life, in the same way that such accidents render some more talented, more intelligent, more beautiful, healthier, longer lived or whatever. C'est la vie.

Life is hard, then you die.

 

Then you go to heaven - and it's full of white idiots wearing Trump hats.


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  # 1938326 13-Jan-2018 20:18
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amiga500:

 

I believe Stormy-Daniels is credited with doing 493 movies/scenes...

 

 

Not for $130k a trick though...


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