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  # 2009657 7-May-2018 23:55
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DaveB:

 

Not quite sure what you are trying to suggest by saying "running true to form".

 

 

Not sure what you are trying to suggest by saying "not sure what you are trying to suggest".

 

 





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  # 2009682 8-May-2018 07:47
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DaveB:

 

 

 

Very interesting reading indeed and a couple of key points to keep in mind

 

Here's how: Norms are establishment-defined expectations we have for how people should behave in a functioning society. Not lying, for example. So when anti-establishment voters see a candidate, like Trump, so blatantly and unapologetically breaking a norm, it's not only forgivable to them, it can actually be desirable as a protest against the system.
"You should never assume that just because a norm is publicly endorsed that it's privately endorsed as well," says one of the authors, Ezra Zuckerman Sivan, a professor and deputy dean of MIT's Sloan School of Management. "And so that creates the raw material for someone (like Trump) to essentially say, 'Hey, you know these norms that you're feeling are imposed on you -- they're not necessarily (legitimate)."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'Yeah, it's not the explicit things I say, it's what's implicit, a deeper truth,'" Zuckerman says.

 

 

 

 

... I really don't think there is any 'deeper truth' to Donald Trump.





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  # 2009689 8-May-2018 08:07
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DaveB: "What's after Trump? That's my concern."

I'm optimistic, and ultimately think it's for the best that Trump got elected over Hillary.

Hillary would have been brutally attacked if she won, probably much worse than even Obama.

For politics, "sunlight is the best disinfectant." The public have never cared so much about the internal workings of the Whitehouse.

I know I struggle to remember much about any Obama cabinet position.

It's also shown the true face of the Republicans. No more hiding behind a façade of your friendly 1950's idealized TV sitcom father. Even though "Leave it to Beaver" could probably be remade with Trump :)

It's also create a new youth activist upsurge that would have NEVER happened under Hillary.

So whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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  # 2009700 8-May-2018 08:31
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DaveB:

 

 

 

I would change your FTFY back to presidency because this is what it is all about. But I don't know how to cross out words here on Geekzone.

 

Regardless, Trump (like it or not) represents the US presidency. And they will protect that in the name of democracy, just like they did Obama and all those that went before them.

 

 

I wouldn't change it back to "presidency" at all - Giuliani and most of Trump's other cronies and sympathisers clearly show that they don't give a flying flew about "the presidency" - they are primarily  interested in protecting  the president from being held to account.

 

"Reasons" why people may want to support such an obvious crook, liar, misogynist, and racist aren't "excuses" - not even close. 

 

Perhaps that's why I object to how you're presenting your opinion here.


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  # 2009717 8-May-2018 09:21
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/07/politics/cnn-poll-trump-steady-right-direction-rises/index.html?utm_source=CNN-News-Alerts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CNN+Poll7f11a99f-9da3-4008-b18d-c863db8e0eb8&utm_term=a3d705dc72bf98792b686d15246e69ea

 

So, his support is stable, with things US looking more or less ok. Strikes me that unless the sky is falling or unless nukes are flying in from NK, things must be ok, so therefore Trump must be ok. They have a very shallow outlook, or are easily lead. Very much Election 2016-esque


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  # 2009720 8-May-2018 09:24
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I think HRC only wrote the book to make a sh**load of money, likewise the speaking tours, in order to say to the Republicans look at me I lost but I've done very nicely thank you!

 

 

 

The Ultimate TYT Election 2016 Meltdown - From Smug To Insane in Under 8 Quality Minutes

 

Look for this on Youtube. This is what the DNC & HRC got for their treatment of Sanders. The host of this show is very very angry.

 

 


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  # 2009791 8-May-2018 10:39
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Fred99:

 

DaveB:

 

 

 

I would change your FTFY back to presidency because this is what it is all about. But I don't know how to cross out words here on Geekzone.

 

Regardless, Trump (like it or not) represents the US presidency. And they will protect that in the name of democracy, just like they did Obama and all those that went before them.

 

 

I wouldn't change it back to "presidency" at all - Giuliani and most of Trump's other cronies and sympathisers clearly show that they don't give a flying flew about "the presidency" - they are primarily  interested in protecting  the president from being held to account.

 

"Reasons" why people may want to support such an obvious crook, liar, misogynist, and racist aren't "excuses" - not even close. 

 

Perhaps that's why I object to how you're presenting your opinion here.

 

 

That is what I would have liked to say. There is something about his political posts that feels slimy and backhanded to me. For some reason, they remind me of Uriah Heep.

 

 





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  # 2009861 8-May-2018 11:58
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kingdragonfly: DaveB: "What's after Trump? That's my concern."
I'm optimistic, and ultimately think it's for the best that Trump got elected over Hillary.
Hillary would have been brutally attacked if she won, probably much worse than even Obama.
For politics, "sunlight is the best disinfectant." The public have never cared so much about the internal workings of the Whitehouse.
I know I struggle to remember much about any Obama cabinet position.
It's also shown the true face of the Republicans. No more hiding behind a façade of your friendly 1950's idealized TV sitcom father. Even though "Leave it to Beaver" could probably be remade with Trump :) It's also created a new youth activist upsurge that would have NEVER happened under Hillary.
So whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

 

Excellent call.

 

BTW: After (often somewhat reluctantly) scrutinizing America's ugly underbelly for the the past sixteenth months, I'm forced to conclude that the US is not the bastion of democracy that I once thought.

 

Which got me wondering: Which is the world's most democratic democracy?

 

I'd like to think that NZ is uppish in the list, but many Maoris might not agree.

 

What do you think?

 

EDIT: And why should country 'X' get the top vote?





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  # 2009865 8-May-2018 12:11
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That is a good question. Scandinavian countries usually rank pretty highly but I don't know for certain. I would imagine New Zealand is somewhere near the top, but I don't know how deserved that is. I think we are certainly doing better than the USA but our lack of constitution bothers me. We are almost more like a benevolent dictatorship, in the sense that we depend on the basic decency of our leaders to not abuse the system too much, but there is little to protect us if we get a bad apple.

 

  





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  # 2009915 8-May-2018 12:54
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Rikkitic:

 

We are almost more like a benevolent dictatorship, in the sense that we depend on the basic decency of our leaders to not abuse the system too much, but there is little to protect us if we get a bad apple. 

 

 

 

 

No worries, Australia has you covered.

 

 

 

 

6. Definitions

 

The Commonwealth shall mean the Commonwealth of Australia as established under this Act.

 

The States shall mean such of the colonies of New South Wales, New Zealand, Queensland, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia, and South Australia, including the northern territory of South Australia, as for the time being are parts of the Commonwealth, and such colonies or territories as may be admitted into or established by the Commonwealth as States; and each of such parts of the Commonwealth shall be called a State.

 





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  # 2009924 8-May-2018 13:11
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geekIT:

 

Which got me wondering: Which is the world's most democratic democracy?

 

I'd like to think that NZ is uppish in the list, but many Maoris might not agree.

 

What do you think?

 

EDIT: And why should country 'X' get the top vote?

 

 

Small size probably makes it more difficult to obscure corruption/cronyism.

 

Also, despite flaws, the proportionality of our MMP system breaks down the two-party trap that the US is stuck in - there are options to vote for other than the two main parties and for those parties to gain representation in parliament.

 

The US seems to be near to - or already has - a constitutional crisis over what the executive power granted to the President means and what the limits are - they probably avoided dealing with some hard questions about that in the past, for various reasons, be that executive powers being abused by Trump now were expedient in different circumstances in the past, that when Nixon eventually did the right thing and resigned that is "proof" the system works well, and an expectation that they would be protected from a corrupt divisive tyrant by checks and balances - a belief that congress couldn't be stacked with cowards and traitors putting themselves, those they shill for, and blind faith to the party ahead of the good of the people they pledged to serve.

 

Most Trumpists are convinced that the Democrats are corrupt, most Democrats are convinced that Trump is corrupt, the combined number of people who believe that they've been subjected to rule by one corrupt government or the other has to be a majority, that's not going to be an easy attitude to fix. Democracy won't work properly if that situation continues.

 

 


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  # 2010003 8-May-2018 14:36
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kingdragonfly: DaveB: "What's after Trump? That's my concern."
I'm optimistic, and ultimately think it's for the best that Trump got elected over Hillary.
Hillary would have been brutally attacked if she won, probably much worse than even Obama.
For politics, "sunlight is the best disinfectant." The public have never cared so much about the internal workings of the Whitehouse.
I know I struggle to remember much about any Obama cabinet position.
It's also shown the true face of the Republicans. No more hiding behind a façade of your friendly 1950's idealized TV sitcom father. Even though "Leave it to Beaver" could probably be remade with Trump :) It's also created a new youth activist upsurge that would have NEVER happened under Hillary.
So whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

 

Excellent call.

 

BTW: After (often somewhat reluctantly) scrutinizing America's ugly underbelly for the the past sixteenth months, I'm forced to conclude that the US is not the bastion of democracy that I once thought.

 

Which got me wondering: Which is the world's most democratic democracy?

 

I'd like to think that NZ is uppish in the list, but many Maoris might not agree.

 

What do you think?

 

EDIT: And why should country 'X' get the top vote?

 

 

The most democratic would depend on who you are asking and how much they feel part of the system and how valued they feel by the system.





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  # 2010094 8-May-2018 16:03
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MikeB4:

 

The most democratic would depend on who you are asking and how much they feel part of the system and how valued they feel by the system.

 

 

The Economist has a "democracy index".  I think it's based partly on public survey results, partly on survey of unspecified "experts".

 

Conducting a public survey as the sole source of data from which to compare nations sounds practically impossible to me. 

 

NZ is rated one of only 19 "Full Democracies":

 

North Korea comes last, ranked 167, with a score of 1.08

 

The full PDF is here if you're interested.

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 2010099 8-May-2018 16:07
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Thanks, Fred.

 

Meanwhile, back in the swamp…

 

 

TRUMP REMOVES GIULIANI FROM LEGAL TEAM BY NAMING HIM NEW WHITE HOUSE DOCTOR

 

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a move that has stirred controversy in both legal and medical circles, Donald J. Trump removed Rudy Giuliani from his legal team on Monday by naming him the new White House doctor.

 

The decision to appoint the former New York mayor to such a key medical position raised eyebrows, in no small part because Giuliani would become the first White House doctor in history not to possess a medical degree.

 

But, in an official White House briefing to announce the decision, the press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, pushed back against the criticism of Giuliani’s nonexistent medical credentials. “Rudolph Giuliani is every bit as qualified to be a doctor as he is to be a lawyer,” she said.

 

Dr. Giuliani hit the ground running in his new job, immediately scheduling an hour-long appearance on Sean Hannity’s Fox News program to discuss the state of Trump’s health.

 

“Is the President’s mental health good?” Giuliani asked on the air. “Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Is he all there? You really have to define what you mean by ‘all.’ If he’s out of his mind, so what? That’s nobody’s business. The important thing is, I’m on TV again talking a lot, and I’ve never felt so alive.”





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  # 2010106 8-May-2018 16:16
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geekIT:

 

 

You should join the Borowitz team. You would fit right in.





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