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#1491157 12-Feb-2016 14:40

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Trump is rich (if he is at this moment) because he only risks other people's money. Anyone who would trust him with $250k deserves to lose their house.

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#1491159 12-Feb-2016 14:42

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Rikkitic:

Trump is rich (if he is at this moment) because he only risks other people's money. Anyone who would trust him with $250k deserves to lose their house.

Well that would be true of 95% of the worlds richest people I think. Being able to turn that borrowed money into more money is something not everyone can do.

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#1491233 12-Feb-2016 15:55

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Geektastic:
Given most of the alternatives, I almost hope he does.

A man with $4 billion of his own money is very hard to bribe - it will be interesting to see what dirty tricks they bring to bear on him later in the race to ensure he fails.

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gzt: There is a scene near the end of the first Apprentice series where a contestant loses but then mortgages his house for US$250K cash and hands it to Trump in a briefcase.

Boy does Trump clutch on to that briefcase...

And?

Ah I should have quoted. Inserted above.

How can you bribe a man like Trump who has lots of money?

The answer is simple...

More money ; ).

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#1491278 12-Feb-2016 17:03

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gzt: How can you bribe a man like Trump who has lots of money?

The answer is simple...
More money ; ).

No ... more power.

A totally amoral billionaire egomaniac as President of the most powerful nation on earth, with his finger on the nuclear button.

And in Russia, a totally amoral billionaire egomaniac as President of the second-most powerful nation on earth, with his finger on the nuclear button.

Not a happy prospect

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#1491489 13-Feb-2016 09:11

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Imagine President Trump changing the constitution to allow dictatorship followed by another constitution amendment to unlimited terms at the office .... !

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#1491503 13-Feb-2016 09:44

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Although we complain about our politicians, no matter what side of the fence they are on, the current crop are nowhere near as bad as those we hear about from other countries.

And we need to make sure they stay that way.

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#1491522 13-Feb-2016 10:16

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I think there are two points to bear in mind.

Our right wing politics here in New Zealand is pretty close to the US left wing in outlook and policy. In other words we cannot judge US political leanings based on New Zealand's political climate.
While it may indirectly affect us it is none of our business how the population of the US vote. We don't take kindly to how outsiders think we should vote. We saw that in the last election.

Having said that there's nothing wrong with healthy discussion such as happens on threads like this.

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#1491524 13-Feb-2016 10:40

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What's with the avatars?

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#1491543 13-Feb-2016 11:25

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joker97: What's with the avatars?

Have you only just noticed? Really?

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#1491545 13-Feb-2016 11:31

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Donald Trump has said he admires Putin. Putin hasn't said anything, but my guess is he also likes Trump. So what is worse? Trump and Putin at war, or Trump and Putin joining forces to dominate the world? I don't find either prospect very appealing.

Unfortunately, how Americans vote affects us in very direct and immediate ways. We no longer live in a world where our geographical isolation gives us any kind of protection. If America ends up in the hands of a tyrant, we will also experience tyranny.

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Rikkitic: Unfortunately, how Americans vote affects us in very direct and immediate ways.

I think you give this far more importance than it's worth. Can you honestly say previous changes in Presidency have had direct and immediate affects on us?

Dipstick decisions by New Zealand Prime Ministers have have far greater affects on us than any American presidency changes. I'm looking at David Lange as one very good example.

I don't think Donald Trump is a smart choice for President of the USA. However what I think counts for Jack Sh*t and I can't influence the outcom,e so it's not worth spending any effort worrying about it.

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#1491587 13-Feb-2016 13:37

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networkn:

A reminder that the popular vote doesn't decide the outcome of the election. It's the delegates vote that matters. Popular vote last election had Obama marginal at best to win, in fact he won pretty comfortably.

You are of course correct but also Obama did win the popular vote in 2012 by about 5 million votes. (66 millionish to 61 millionish). It wasn't even close. The aggregated polls in the 2012 general election showed Obama winning comfortably, which is exactly what happened.

Primary polling is at best volatile, you are dealing with small groups of people. Trump won the New Hampshire GOP primary by 35% but you are only talking about 300,000 voters in total.

fivethirtyeight.com is an excellent resource on polling and how it works.

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Technofreak:

Rikkitic: Unfortunately, how Americans vote affects us in very direct and immediate ways.

I think you give this far more importance than it's worth. Can you honestly say previous changes in Presidency have had direct and immediate affects on us?

Dipstick decisions by New Zealand Prime Ministers have have far greater affects on us than any American presidency changes. I'm looking at David Lange as one very good example.

I don't think Donald Trump is a smart choice for President of the USA. However what I think counts for Jack Sh*t and I can't influence the outcom,e so it's not worth spending any effort worrying about it.

I don't think there's much doubt that US domestic policy heavily influences NZ. You mention the Lange government, Douglas' policies (and later under National, most significantly Richardson's) didn't come out of thin air. They could have been written by Reagan and Volcker, then Greenspan. Arguably, NZ was cornered and had little choice but to change (ie from the Muldoon policies), but the direction of that change was consistent with what happened in the US.

NZ may have "bucked the system" with anti-nuclear policies of the Lange Govt, but I'd argue that those policies made very little difference to the lives of NZers, some perhaps felt a bit morally righteous. Much more important has been NZ following US foreign policy, where we might not have been in boots and all, but Vietnam, the Cold War, the response to 9/11 etc.

Then the transfer of "popular culture" - whether that's pro or anti US - via the traditional media, now the internet.

Big arguments in NZ being made about TPP - though probably exaggerated claims about benefits on one side and harm on the other. It's going nowhere unless ratified in the US, if it's not ratified before US elections, then obviously the outcome of the election determines whether or not it's ratified at all. If it goes to congress before the elections, then political posturing at the time will determine whether or not it passes.

Listening to some - particularly GOP - candidates' comments/debates on US foreign policy scares the crap out of me. It might be all populist bluster, but it's dangerous talk. Likewise a sharp turn to moral conservatism in the US would feed through to NZ one way or another, and for worse rather than better. If it does go that way, then NZ voters and policy-makers have some hard choices to make.

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#1492515 15-Feb-2016 11:48

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MikeB4: Hillary Clinton will be the next US President.

If so, then business as usual: Wall St and their corporate clients and cronies continue to pillage everyone else.

Americans seem incapable of supporting anyone who can actually address all the issues they face. Bernie Sanders is the better candidate by far, but Cynical / Incompetent "I voted to invade Iraq" Hillary may well win anyway.

Of course without populating the House and senate with similarly honest people of integrity and good will, nothing much will change for the US.

Their Constitution has proven to be a massive #FAIL...and they will go down with it rather than think about changing it. They don't even see the need.

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Linuxluver:

Of course without populating the House and senate with similarly honest people of integrity and good will, nothing much will change for the US.

Zero chance of that happening.

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