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amiga500
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  #2012848 9-May-2018 18:35
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Fred99:

 

amiga500:

 

What happened today? I browsed (again) HRC's book at the local Whitcoulls. The chapter called 'Election Night' from about page 370 onwards cheered me up no end!

 

 

We're steps closer - both to World War 3 and also to having Trump locked up.

 

 

 

 

Right now I'd be happy with John Kerry & any VP he had chosen. Kerry would be better than Clinton or Trump.


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  #2012853 9-May-2018 18:43
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DaveB:

 

amiga500:

 

What happened today? I browsed (again) HRC's book at the local Whitcoulls. The chapter called 'Election Night' from about page 370 onwards cheered me up no end!

 

 

The sad thing about this is that once it became HRC or the Donald, America could not win.

 

 

No the truly sad thing about this is that what Trump is doing has got nothing to do with HRC, or Obama.  It's entirely to do with Trump.

 

He (and his supporters) own it - 100%.

 

I call BS on your claim that "America could not win" if HRC had won.  You do not know (nor does anybody else).

 

The "each were as bad as each other" concept is abject, lying BS.

 

Yet again you've either made a mistake - or betrayed yourself.


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  #2012870 9-May-2018 18:53
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Fred99:

 

DaveB:

 

amiga500:

 

What happened today? I browsed (again) HRC's book at the local Whitcoulls. The chapter called 'Election Night' from about page 370 onwards cheered me up no end!

 

 

The sad thing about this is that once it became HRC or the Donald, America could not win.

 

 

No the truly sad thing about this is that what Trump is doing has got nothing to do with HRC, or Obama.  It's entirely to do with Trump.

 

He (and his supporters) own it - 100%.

 

I call BS on your claim that "America could not win" if HRC had won.  You do not know (nor does anybody else).

 

The "each were as bad as each other" concept is abject, lying BS.

 

Yet again you've either made a mistake - or betrayed yourself.

 

 

*YAWN* And I did not claim anywhere that "America could not win" if HRC had won. Read my post again. Good grief.


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  #2012871 9-May-2018 18:54
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I believe H4C lost because she is a woman. We know she wouldn't be worse than Trump. All the way.




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  #2012872 9-May-2018 18:57
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DaveB:

 

Fred99:

 

DaveB:

 

amiga500:

 

What happened today? I browsed (again) HRC's book at the local Whitcoulls. The chapter called 'Election Night' from about page 370 onwards cheered me up no end!

 

 

The sad thing about this is that once it became HRC or the Donald, America could not win.

 

 

No the truly sad thing about this is that what Trump is doing has got nothing to do with HRC, or Obama.  It's entirely to do with Trump.

 

He (and his supporters) own it - 100%.

 

I call BS on your claim that "America could not win" if HRC had won.  You do not know (nor does anybody else).

 

The "each were as bad as each other" concept is abject, lying BS.

 

Yet again you've either made a mistake - or betrayed yourself.

 

 

*YAWN*

 

 

If you need to go back to sleep, don't stay up for my sake!

 

I thought you'd at least proclaim "I am not a Trump supporter", then carry on with a load of whataboutism etc.


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  #2012874 9-May-2018 19:07
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freitasm: I believe H4C lost because she is a woman. We know she wouldn't be worse than Trump. All the way.

 

In some ways, you may be right and I wish I could fully agree. At least there is a "reason" there. But I think it is deeper than that. I think both political perspectives represent a disapproval of "the establishment".

 

We saw this with Brexit.


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  #2012877 9-May-2018 19:12
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DaveB:

 

freitasm: I believe H4C lost because she is a woman. We know she wouldn't be worse than Trump. All the way.

 

In some ways, you may be right and I wish I could fully agree. At least there is a "reason" there. But I think it is deeper than that. I think both political perspectives represent a disapproval of "the establishment".

 

We saw this with Brexit.

 

 

Oh - the other major upset that Cambridge Analytica was deeply involved with, but many claim "didn't influence the outcome"?

 

This "disapproval of the establishment" was fomented by an extremely well funded and coordinated campaign, whose reasons to "take down the establishment" was so that they could put in place their own.

 

 


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  #2012882 9-May-2018 19:22
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Some Russian people living in NZ were nervous about Clinton becoming president. They thought it would increase the chance of a war due to the Ukraine and Crimea issue.


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  #2012887 9-May-2018 19:26
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amiga500:

 

Some Russian people living in NZ were nervous about Clinton becoming president. They thought it would increase the chance of a war due to the Ukraine and Crimea issue.

 

 

Like US voters should really listen to pro-Russian public opinion. Oh wait - they did.


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  #2012888 9-May-2018 19:26
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Fred99:

 

Oh - the other major upset that Cambridge Analytica was deeply involved with, but many claim "didn't influence the outcome"?

 

This "disapproval of the establishment" was fomented by an extremely well funded and coordinated campaign, whose reasons to "take down the establishment" was so that they could put in place their own.

 

 

ROFLMAO Great reply Fred. Love it!


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  #2012891 9-May-2018 19:29
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ROFLMAO Great reply Fred. Love it!

 

 

I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from praising anything I post here.


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  #2012893 9-May-2018 19:34
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DaveB:

 

freitasm: I believe H4C lost because she is a woman. We know she wouldn't be worse than Trump. All the way.

 

In some ways, you may be right and I wish I could fully agree. At least there is a "reason" there. But I think it is deeper than that. I think both political perspectives represent a disapproval of "the establishment".

 

We saw this with Brexit.

 

 

Yes and like Trump supporters, Brexit supporters voted for the worse. It will take many years to recover from the damage these decisions will cause in both countries regarding reputation, economy and social advances.





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  #2012894 9-May-2018 19:34
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Rikkitic:

 

I was referring to Uriah Heep the Dickens character, not the music group. He always hovered in the background proclaiming how humble he was, while he manipulated those around him.

 

 

Indeed.


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  #2012902 9-May-2018 19:43
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Iran

 

I have no issue that he dropped out. The US isnt the god of the world. They have already lost grip on NK, now with Iran. Iran "seems" to be playing ball. Europe and everyone else can stay on the deal. Another exit stage left, USA. That is not a bad thing. Id rather have a few big brothers managing issues than one BIG BROTHER. Maybe in a few years we will still downplay Trump, but his actions that reduce the US global influence may be a good thing


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  #2012937 9-May-2018 20:18
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Iran

 

I have no issue that he dropped out. The US isnt the god of the world. They have already lost grip on NK, now with Iran. Iran "seems" to be playing ball. Europe and everyone else can stay on the deal. Another exit stage left, USA. That is not a bad thing. Id rather have a few big brothers managing issues than one BIG BROTHER. Maybe in a few years we will still downplay Trump, but his actions that reduce the US global influence may be a good thing

 

 

I always thought that Iran's monitoring requirements were physically monitored by the IAEA? When discussing this today with friends - they suggested that Iran self monitored and reported accordingly? I find that a bit hard to believe.

 

Regardless, at 5.30 this morning (NZ time), Israel went on the defensive due to reports of "irregular" troop activity across its border with Syria. Less than an hour after Trump's speech withdrawing from the Iran Nuclear Deal at 6a.m this morning, at least nine Iranian Troops were killed as Israel launched air strikes against Iranian targets in Syria.

 

I agree with your comments. The Iran drop out is the right thing to do. But with the North Korea summit coming up, how would Kim Jong Un view the US? A country that stands behind its commitments? 

 

 


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