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  #2018158 18-May-2018 10:04
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Rikkitic:

 

I would like to say something about this thread. Most of it is made up of anti-Trump links and comments and some of it is clearly over the top so it would be easy to see it as simple Trump bashing. But I believe there is another important dimension to it that sometimes gets overlooked.

 

Donald Trump is not a nice person. He has a long, well-documented history of being not a nice person. He seems to have a genuinely nasty streak, as evidenced by his mockery of those he doesn’t like, including the family of a dead soldier and a journalist with a disability. He has a terrible attitude towards women, evidenced by his notorious pussy-grabbing comment. And now there is his comment about immigrants. These things and many, many others are not fake news. They are all well-documented. Trump is an unpleasant human being.

 

There are many unpleasant people in positions of power. That is unfortunate, but in itself not necessarily catastrophic. What makes it so much worse in Trump’s case is his apparent inability to grasp the consequences of his actions. He is a shallow, uncultured, unintelligent, ignorant, incompetent man with a narcissistic personality disorder and an obsessive dislike of his predecessor. He makes decisions impulsively, without thinking them through. He is a pathological liar. He tells lies about almost everything, then apparently believes them. These things are also well-documented. He doesn’t like to read and his comprehension is poor. He lets himself be led by what he sees on Fox News. He is easily flattered. He doesn’t understand even basic concepts. He takes pride in his ignorance.

 

As president of the USA, these qualities put him in a position to do enormous damage to his country and the world. He is a like a toddler with a loaded gun. He is far out of his league, hugely outclassed by those who want to manipulate him and take advantage of his limitations. He has become an embarrassment and an international laughing stock, undermining American prestige and the dignity of his office as he becomes easy fodder for late-night comedians.

 

He is also corrupt. Like Nixon, he surrounds himself with criminals. Money rules and those who dote on him are rewarded. He is drawn to fascist elements, who appeal to his simple-minded world view and in whom he sees kindred spirits. Some of his strongest critics worry that he and his cronies might actually subvert democracy in America and snuff it out altogether. Even if that does not happen, the damage that has already been done will likely take many decades to repair.

 

Trump enjoys an alarming level of popular support because he appeals to the worst instincts of his supporters. Some see him as a nascent Hitler but Mussolini might be a more relevant comparison.

 

Those of us who criticise and mock him here, do so not because we just don’t like his politics, but because we recognise the threat he represents. It is not about right or left. Donald Trump is not qualified by any measure to lead the United States of America or any other country. His election was a tragedy. The sooner that horrible mistake is corrected, the better. That, in my opinion, is what this thread is about.

 

Rikkitic, well said, this piece deserves global coverage.

 

After re-reading your summary of Trump's nature, I'm beginning to wonder if, apart from his overt criminality, there's a subconscious desire for self-destruction in this man's psyche.

 

It's almost as if, without knowing it, he's crying out, 'Godammit! What more do I have to do to show these these fools what an utterly loathsome creature I really am!'  





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  #2018163 18-May-2018 10:11
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DaveB:

 

Stan:

 

I watched the entire video (not the clickbait one linked) and to me it is clear he is talking about MS13 gang members not all immigrants. 

 

Not that im a fan of dehumanizing anyone but MS13 are fairly up there in terms of violence for world gangs.

 

Video in full:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4MBJNFpy0&t=

 

For anyone wondering about ms13 here is the wikipedia article

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

 

 

I think it is safe to call them out for what they are - animals. That Twitter posting is a great example of how things can get very twisted and distorted.

 

 

That's actually one thing I agree with Trump that he gets alot of flack about is his wall.

 

The drugs and violence out of South America is fairly crazy

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2018165 18-May-2018 10:13
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geekIT:

 

<snip>

 

Rikkitic, well said, this piece deserves global coverage.

 

After re-reading your summary of Trump's nature, I'm beginning to wonder if, apart from his overt criminality, there's a subconscious desire for self-destruction in this man's psyche.

 

It's almost as if, without knowing it, he's crying out, 'Godammit! What more do I have to do to show these these fools what an utterly loathsome creature I really am!'  

 

 

I don't think that The Donald has that much insight.  undecided

 

 

Note the least likely outcome - "GOP places country over party".





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  #2018167 18-May-2018 10:14
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I believe that the "animals" comment was brought to the fore by this tweet:

 

 

IMO taking that out of context was a mistake.

 

I don't recall seeing a story break on the NYT or WP where they continued the mistake of taking Trump's words out of context.

 

It's inarguable that Trump has a long history of racist behaviour and of making racist comments, and there's no doubt that Trump was elected with the help of a social media campaign that was carefully crafted to incite racial division and suppress black voter turnout.

 

Trump's obsessive fixation with MS13 is tied in with his stupid obsessive fixation with "the wall" due to MS13 presence in Mexico - ignoring of course that MS13 was born in the USA.

 

He is selective about who he abuses - apparently on racial grounds - and this is in stark contrast to his (lack of) comment or condemnation of white supremacist groups like the Aryan Brotherhood, KKK etc.

 

No POTUS should not be referring to criminals as "animals".

 

Trump is a racist piece of scum with a strong fascist leaning - don't let a mistake made on twitter distract from that fact.


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  #2018170 18-May-2018 10:17
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Stan: I watched the entire video (not the clickbait one linked) and to me it is clear he is talking about MS13 gang members not all immigrants.


The ironic aspect is that MS 13 was formed in the US, after Salvadoran immigrants arrived.

Some Salvadoran immigrants then returned south of the American border, and carried MS 13 beliefs with them.

So they were "animals" until they arrived in the US.

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  #2018173 18-May-2018 10:20
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Stan:

 

The drugs and violence out of South America is fairly crazy

 

 

Next you'll be telling me that South American cartels are holding a gun at perfectly good law-abiding American's heads, forcing them to use cocaine, crystal meth etc.

 

 


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  #2018174 18-May-2018 10:25
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

The drugs and violence out of South America is fairly crazy

 

 

Next you'll be telling me that South American cartels are holding a gun at perfectly good law-abiding American's heads, forcing them to use cocaine, crystal meth etc.

 

 

 

Yes but immigration 

 

 

 

I agree no one is forcing them too just like no one in nz is forcing anyone to use meth but restricting the supply might help philosophically depends where you land on hard drugs.

 

But regardless the wall is a good idea 


 
 
 
 


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  #2018176 18-May-2018 10:30
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Fred99:

 

I believe that the "animals" comment was brought to the fore by this tweet:

 

 

IMO taking that out of context was a mistake.

 

I don't recall seeing a story break on the NYT or WP where they continued the mistake of taking Trump's words out of context.

 

It's inarguable that Trump has a long history of racist behaviour and of making racist comments, and there's no doubt that Trump was elected with the help of a social media campaign that was carefully crafted to incite racial division and suppress black voter turnout.

 

Trump's obsessive fixation with MS13 is tied in with his stupid obsessive fixation with "the wall" due to MS13 presence in Mexico - ignoring of course that MS13 was born in the USA.

 

He is selective about who he abuses - apparently on racial grounds - and this is in stark contrast to his (lack of) comment or condemnation of white supremacist groups like the Aryan Brotherhood, KKK etc.

 

No POTUS should not be referring to criminals as "animals".

 

Trump is a racist piece of scum with a strong fascist leaning - don't let a mistake made on twitter distract from that fact.

 

 

 

 

The NYT did 

 

Check out how clock baity this is: 

 

http://archive.is/TZ4Az

 

Trump Calls Some Unauthorized Immigrants ‘Animals’ in Rant

 

 

 

 

 

" President Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting on Wednesday, warning in front of news cameras that dangerous people were clamoring to breach the country’s borders and branding such people “animals.”" 

 

He was talking about MS13 its fairly disingenuous to word it that way

 

 


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  #2018177 18-May-2018 10:31
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It is my belief that Trump will get a Nobel peace prize and will also get a second term. He actually says what a lot of Americans are thinking....

 

He also has one of the largest news organisations dedicated to serving him.

 

He reminds me a lot of Winston Peters...when up against a wall will lie through his teeth and say what people want to hear regardless.

 

At least Trump seems to be following through on his bigoted promises..a lot more than Winston is doing.


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  #2018181 18-May-2018 10:36
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Stan:

 

 

 

The NYT did 

 

Check out how clock baity this is: 

 

http://archive.is/TZ4Az

 

Trump Calls Some Unauthorized Immigrants ‘Animals’ in Rant  

 

" President Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting on Wednesday, warning in front of news cameras that dangerous people were clamoring to breach the country’s borders and branding such people “animals.”" 

 

He was talking about MS13 its fairly disingenuous to word it that way

 

 

 

 

The "some" I've highlighted above shows that the NYT didn't,  and it was a Trump rant.

 

The NYT seems to have reported the story accurately and provide the context.


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  #2018184 18-May-2018 10:43
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Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

The drugs and violence out of South America is fairly crazy

 

 

Next you'll be telling me that South American cartels are holding a gun at perfectly good law-abiding American's heads, forcing them to use cocaine, crystal meth etc.

 

 

 

Yes but immigration <--  I didn't say that

 

I agree no one is forcing them too just like no one in nz is forcing anyone to use meth but restricting the supply might help philosophically depends where you land on hard drugs.

 

But regardless the wall is a good idea 

 

 

Reducing the supply increases the price.  America seems to have been living in a la-la land delusion that continuing to do what they did between 1920 and 1933 would be more effective now than it was then.  That's kind of another subject - and there are other threads.

 

The wall is an incredibly dumb idea.  Unless they built it 50,000 feet high, most of the illegal overstayers would continue to fly in on scheduled airline flights - just as they do now.


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  #2018187 18-May-2018 10:47
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Pumpedd:

 

It is my belief that Trump will get a Nobel peace prize

 

 

Fortunately Americans don't decide who gets awarded Nobel prizes.

 

 


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  #2018220 18-May-2018 10:57
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Talking of how organised crime operate, it must be reassuring to Trump senior that "Junior" could remember one thing 186 times - that he needed to forget everything:

 

https://qz.com/1279771/there-are-186-things-donald-trump-jr-says-he-cant-remember-or-doesnt-know-about-the-trump-tower-meeting/

 

 

 

 


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  #2018247 18-May-2018 11:06
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The Atlantic - Trump Can't Afford to Admit His Failures With North Korea

 

The administration has no choice now but to carry on the pretense that the negotiations are proceeding favorably.

 


Think of the past few months of President Trump’s Korea policy as a drama, unfolding in multiple acts.

 

Act I: Trump impulsively agrees to meet North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. Perhaps unaware that the North Koreans have sought such a summit meeting for decades, Trump boasts that he has extracted a major concession.

 

Act II: Trump gradually comes to appreciate that he has been duped. To prove that he’s a winner, not a fool, he begins to oversell the summit, promising that the denuclearization of North Korea is at hand.

 

Act III: The North Koreans issue a public statement refuting Trump’s boasts. No, they will not denuclearize. And oh, by the way, it’s Trump who must pay tribute to them, not the other way around: If he wants his summit, he should cancel joint U.S.–South Korean exercises.

 

We’re in Act IV right now - and Act V has yet to be written.

 

As of midday on May 16, the Trump administration was reacting to the embarrassment of Act III by denying that anything untoward has happened.
Throughout his career, Trump has coped with failure by brazenly misrepresenting failure as success.

 

 





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  #2018263 18-May-2018 11:31
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Stan:

 

I agree no one is forcing them too just like no one in nz is forcing anyone to use meth but restricting the supply might help philosophically depends where you land on hard drugs.

 

But regardless the wall is a good idea 

 

 

Experience shows again and again that restricting availability just pushes up the price, making it even more attractive to criminal elements, who are increasingly motivated to create more addicts. The wall is a dumb idea, not to mention a very expensive one. It won't keep anyone out. In any case, there is already plenty of home-grown violence and drugs on the American side. The wall won't accomplish a single thing, even if they do manage to build it.

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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