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  #2019718 21-May-2018 12:18
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Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 


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  #2019725 21-May-2018 12:30
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Stan:

 

Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 

 

 

Yet another straw man argument.

 

Trump is a malicious racist and a bigot - no need to "presume" his motivation.

 

Defend this:

 

Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2019728 21-May-2018 12:35
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 

 

 

Yet another straw man argument.

 

Trump is a malicious racist and a bigot - no need to "presume" his motivation.

 

Defend this:

 

Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 

 

 

 

 

That sums up Trump.





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  #2019732 21-May-2018 12:42
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Maybe you guys should give this a read.





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  #2019734 21-May-2018 12:43
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 

 

 

Yet another straw man argument.

 

Trump is a racist and a bigot - no need to "presume" his motivation.

 

Defend this:

 

Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 

 

 

Let me explain one simple fallacy to your logic

 

Trump has said a thing that could be considered to be racist therefor Trump wanting to control immigration by adding border security is racist. Do you really make that leap?

 

There are many reasons why would wouldn't want people from underdeveloped nations into your country and not all of them have to do with race education and cultural similarities are two very such reasons.


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  #2019740 21-May-2018 12:50
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Fred99:

 

... Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here?

 

We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 

This was a Norwegian cartoonist's response to that quote:

 





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  #2019741 21-May-2018 12:51
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Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 

 

 

Yet another straw man argument.

 

Trump is a racist and a bigot - no need to "presume" his motivation.

 

Defend this:

 

Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 

 

 

Let me explain one simple fallacy to your logic

 

Trump has said a thing that could be considered to be racist therefor Trump wanting to control immigration by adding border security is racist. Do you really make that leap?

 

There are many reasons why would wouldn't want people from underdeveloped nations into your country and not all of them have to do with race education and cultural similarities are two very such reasons.

 

 

What reasons are those Stan?

 

This is about immigration - right? (ie not about refugee programs or illegal immigration).

 

People from those sh*thole countries (president's words) underdeveloped nations have to meet the same criteria as anybody else.  What would you want to change?


 
 
 
 


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  #2019742 21-May-2018 12:52
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Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 

 

 

Yet another straw man argument.

 

Trump is a racist and a bigot - no need to "presume" his motivation.

 

Defend this:

 

Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 

 

 

Let me explain one simple fallacy to your logic

 

Trump has said a thing that could be considered to be racist therefor Trump wanting to control immigration by adding border security is racist. Do you really make that leap?

 

There are many reasons why would wouldn't want people from underdeveloped nations into your country and not all of them have to do with race education and cultural similarities are two very such reasons.

 

 

 

 

Here is an idea for you, instead of looking at Trumps utterances and actions individually but looking at them as a whole you will see a very clear picture of a Racist, Xenophobic, misogynist bigot.  





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  #2019743 21-May-2018 12:54
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Repeatedly Trump made his policies about entire groups, not individuals.

The Muslim ban, the shithole countries, the Latinos. It is racist.

If he was to implement policies to screen people then it would be different.

He is a racist and he appeals to right wing, ideologically racist, fearful people that are pushed by the agenda of groups such as religious sects and white supremacists.




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  #2019753 21-May-2018 13:05
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

Okay so you are saying it depends who actually protects there country if its Trump is xenophobic because of his motives are but if its Obama that's okay because of his motives.

 

What you are essentially doing in that case is presuming motorvation and attributing it to malice thats disappointing I had hoped for a coherent argument

 

 

 

 

Yet another straw man argument.

 

Trump is a racist and a bigot - no need to "presume" his motivation.

 

Defend this:

 

Trump said, "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here?" Then they got Africa. 'Why do we want these people from all these sh*thole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

 

 

 

Let me explain one simple fallacy to your logic

 

Trump has said a thing that could be considered to be racist therefor Trump wanting to control immigration by adding border security is racist. Do you really make that leap?

 

There are many reasons why would wouldn't want people from underdeveloped nations into your country and not all of them have to do with race education and cultural similarities are two very such reasons.

 

 

What reasons are those Stan?

 

This is about immigration - right? (ie not about refugee programs or illegal immigration).

 

People from those sh*thole countries (president's words) underdeveloped nations have to meet the same criteria as anybody else.  What would you want to change?

 

 

Let me add one other thing that the quotes you are using are not quotes per say they are from others who said he said those words.

 

It is about immigration but Trump could have been referring to immigration by refugee programs or illegally that's not stated in these 2nd and accounts.

 

Also the Muslim ban is not racist as being a Muslim is not a race


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  #2019755 21-May-2018 13:09
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Stan:

 

Also the Muslim ban is not racist as being a Muslim is not a race

 

 

To racists it is. Someone looks 'middle eastern' = must be Arab = must be Muslim = undesirable.

 

 





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  #2019763 21-May-2018 13:13
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Rikkitic:

 

Stan:

 

Also the Muslim ban is not racist as being a Muslim is not a race

 

 

To racists it is. Someone looks 'middle eastern' = must be Arab = must be Muslim = undesirable.

 

 

 

 

How do you know that? How can you assume that


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  #2019766 21-May-2018 13:16
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I know it from those who have said precisely that. Racists.

 

 





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  #2019767 21-May-2018 13:18
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Stan:

 

Also the Muslim ban is not racist as being a Muslim is not a race

 

 

You should probably read this article





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  #2019768 21-May-2018 13:19
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Rikkitic:

 

I know it from those who have said precisely that. Racists.

 

 

 

 

What??

 

You are saying that you had an encounter with someone who was a racist who said Arabs=Muslims so there for all racists think Muslims are all Arabs.


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