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  #2019773 21-May-2018 13:28
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freitasm:

 

Stan:

 

Also the Muslim ban is not racist as being a Muslim is not a race

 

 

You should probably read this article

 

 

Okay read it.

 

To me it seems that the terms used like islamophobia to me that its used to stifle conversation like this    


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  #2019774 21-May-2018 13:28
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Stan:

 

What??

 

You are saying that you had an encounter with someone who was a racist who said Arabs=Muslims so there for all racists think Muslims are all Arabs.

 

 

Many people have had many encounters. Like this one.

 

 





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  #2019790 21-May-2018 13:47
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I find the last couple of pages of this thread truly flabbergasting.  @Stan

 

1. do you read your posts ?

 

2. Do you really believe what you are typing?

 

3. Are you trolling?


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  #2019796 21-May-2018 14:05
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MikeB4:

 

I find the last couple of pages of this thread truly flabbergasting.  @Stan

 

1. do you read your posts ?

 

2. Do you really believe what you are typing?

 

3. Are you trolling?

 

 

1.Yes (I have always been bad at grammar and spelling im fairly dyslexic)

 

2.Yes

 

3.No (I have been on geekzone 13 years im not a russian bot)

 

Just to summarize my views:

 

  • I have no problem with the border wall.
  • I do not believe Trumps Muslim ban is racist
  • With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking.
  • I wouldn't call Trump a racist from what I have seen and read about him so far.

I don't think that's all that radical perhaps for this forums demographic it is but hey it sparks debate.

 

 


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  #2019803 21-May-2018 14:20
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Stan:

 

MikeB4:

 

I find the last couple of pages of this thread truly flabbergasting.  @Stan

 

1. do you read your posts ?

 

2. Do you really believe what you are typing?

 

3. Are you trolling?

 

 

1.Yes (I have always been bad at grammar and spelling im fairly dyslexic)

 

2.Yes

 

3.No (I have been on geekzone 13 years im not a russian bot)

 

Just to summarize my views:

 

  • I have no problem with the border wall.
  • I do not believe Trumps Muslim ban is racist
  • With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking.
  • I wouldn't call Trump a racist from what I have seen and read about him so far.

I don't think that's all that radical perhaps for this forums demographic it is but hey it sparks debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So based on that you would be OK with the persecution of the Huguenots and the banning of protestants, the persecution of the Jews and the banning of Judaism, the persecution of Christians. You would be OK with the Berlin Wall.  If you believe that Trump is not a racist from what you have read then I can only conclude that you were actually reading about someone else or I don't know I simply cannot believe that you cannot or will not see it. You owe it to yourself to relook at this monster with open eyes.


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  #2019805 21-May-2018 14:24
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Stan:

 

  • With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking.

 

Do you?

 

 

 

Here's what Sam Harris had to say about Trump:

 

 

While Trump’s attitude toward women should be disqualifying, it is among his least frightening traits when it comes to assuming the responsibilities of the presidency. His fondness for Vladimir Putin, the whimsy with which he has entertained the first use of nuclear weapons, his disregard for our NATO alliances, his promise to use federal regulators to harass his critics, his belief that climate change is a hoax, his recommendation that we kill the families of terrorists, his suggestion that America might want to default on its debt—any one of these sentiments should have ended Trump’s bid for public office within the hour. In fact, Donald Trump is so unfit for the presidency that he has done great harm to our society by merely campaigning for it. The harm he could do from the White House can scarcely be imagined.

 

 

I couldn't  (but didn't look that hard as I don't have the time) find a Sam Harris commentary on the growth and polarisation of the Christian Right evangelical fundamentalist cults in the US, how Trump facilitates them and how in return they fall solidly in line behind Trump, how that influence US domestic and foreign policy, how that compares with the growth of fundamentalist Islamist cults in nations somewhat sympathetic to their cause, and given the USA's undisputed position of being the most powerful military nation on earth by far, what that might portend.


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  #2019821 21-May-2018 14:32
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

  • With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking.

 

Do you?

 

 

 

Here's what Sam Harris had to say about Trump:

 

 

While Trump’s attitude toward women should be disqualifying, it is among his least frightening traits when it comes to assuming the responsibilities of the presidency. His fondness for Vladimir Putin, the whimsy with which he has entertained the first use of nuclear weapons, his disregard for our NATO alliances, his promise to use federal regulators to harass his critics, his belief that climate change is a hoax, his recommendation that we kill the families of terrorists, his suggestion that America might want to default on its debt—any one of these sentiments should have ended Trump’s bid for public office within the hour. In fact, Donald Trump is so unfit for the presidency that he has done great harm to our society by merely campaigning for it. The harm he could do from the White House can scarcely be imagined.

 

 

I couldn't  (but didn't look that hard as I don't have the time) find a Sam Harris commentary on the growth and polarisation of the Christian Right evangelical fundamentalist cults in the US, how Trump facilitates them and how in return they fall solidly in line behind Trump, how that influence US domestic and foreign policy, how that compares with the growth of fundamentalist Islamist cults in nations somewhat sympathetic to their cause, and given the USA's undisputed position of being the most powerful military nation on earth by far, what that might portend.

 

 

"With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking"

 

I am well versed on Sam Harris's point of view on trump he is not my personal Jesus


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  #2019824 21-May-2018 14:34
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MikeB4:

 

Stan:

 

MikeB4:

 

I find the last couple of pages of this thread truly flabbergasting.  @Stan

 

1. do you read your posts ?

 

2. Do you really believe what you are typing?

 

3. Are you trolling?

 

 

1.Yes (I have always been bad at grammar and spelling im fairly dyslexic)

 

2.Yes

 

3.No (I have been on geekzone 13 years im not a russian bot)

 

Just to summarize my views:

 

  • I have no problem with the border wall.
  • I do not believe Trumps Muslim ban is racist
  • With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking.
  • I wouldn't call Trump a racist from what I have seen and read about him so far.

I don't think that's all that radical perhaps for this forums demographic it is but hey it sparks debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So based on that you would be OK with the persecution of the Huguenots and the banning of protestants, the persecution of the Jews and the banning of Judaism, the persecution of Christians. You would be OK with the Berlin Wall.  If you believe that Trump is not a racist from what you have read then I can only conclude that you were actually reading about someone else or I don't know I simply cannot believe that you cannot or will not see it. You owe it to yourself to relook at this monster with open eyes.

 

 

..... no

 

I don't see your point actually some of my ancestors were Huguenots.


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  #2019825 21-May-2018 14:36
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Giuliani gets angry when challenged with his own words, such as calling the FBI storm troopers



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  #2019833 21-May-2018 14:43
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I find it truly saddening that Trump now leads a Nation that has said these words....

 

 

 

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


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  #2019836 21-May-2018 14:47
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Stan:

 

"With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking"

 

I am well versed on Sam Harris's point of view on trump he is not my personal Jesus

 

 

He's been quite selective presenting strong anti-Islam arguments - but seems to have fallen asleep at the wheel WRT what's happening in his own neighbourhood.

 

He might not be your Jesus - but beware false prophets.


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  #2019841 21-May-2018 14:50
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Stan: I don't see your point actually some of my ancestors were Huguenots.

 

 

This is the same argument as in "Some of my friends are black" or "Some of my friends are gay". This is known as the friend argument.

 

 





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  #2019856 21-May-2018 14:59
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freitasm:

 

Stan: I don't see your point actually some of my ancestors were Huguenots.

 

 

This is the same argument as in "Some of friends are black" or "Some of my friends are gay". This is known as the friend argument.

 

 

 

 

No you missed my point it was more in passing, I mean im not sure if you are aware but my Huguenots ancestors have been dead for 400 years I have 0 connection to them.


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  #2019859 21-May-2018 15:01
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

"With Islam as a religion I fall into the Sam Harris line of thinking"

 

I am well versed on Sam Harris's point of view on trump he is not my personal Jesus

 

 

He's been quite selective presenting strong anti-Islam arguments - but seems to have fallen asleep at the wheel WRT what's happening in his own neighbourhood.

 

He might not be your Jesus - but beware false prophets.

 

 

I think you also miss my point about Trump too. 

 

Trump is not my Jesus I disagree with alot of things he does I would probably have voted 3rd party if I was in the states.


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  #2019869 21-May-2018 15:12
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I am white.
I am old.
I grew up in post-war Australia, in the days of the "White Australia Policy" (at least it was honest racism).
I can remember when it was considered a novelty for Australian aborigines to be counted as people in the Australian population census.
I have watched Donald Trump for 50 years, with increasing fear and loathing.
I know what racism is.
I know that Donald Trump is a racist.

 





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