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  #2020283 22-May-2018 12:13
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Fred99:

 

There is no reasoned rational argument for that wall.  It's symbolic, and that symbol was the cornerstone policy of Trump's campaign, and he absolutely did argue for it using racist rhetoric.

 

Support the wall - support the POTUS's agenda - call yourself what you like. 

 

Trump calls himself "the least racist person you could ever meet".  

 

 

I mean sure your opinion is fact for anyone to disagree with it is going against reality /s

 

Rikkitic:

 

How about we don't build a wall? How complex is that calculation?

 

 

The thing is Rikkitic the discussion is on the table due to Trump putting it there for better or worse I have no issue with it and I have explained the reasons why I think this way.


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  #2020288 22-May-2018 12:18
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Quoting Justice Potter Stewart who in 1968 pronounced a threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it":

 

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that"

 

It's racism. You don't have to explicitly categorise it to know it's racism. Trump doesn't need to proclaim himself to be racist, we know it by his actions. 

 

People don't need to say "I'm racist" for others to see what is going on.





 
 
 
 


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  #2020294 22-May-2018 12:23
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freitasm:

 

Quoting Justice Potter Stewart who in 1968 pronounced a threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio. "I know it when I see it":

 

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that"

 

It's racism. You don't have to explicitly categorise it to know it's racism. Trump doesn't need to proclaim himself to be racist, we know it by his actions. 

 

People don't need to say "I'm racist" for others to see what is going on.

 

 

And others are not open to interpreting his motives behind his actions as not racist?


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  #2020296 22-May-2018 12:25
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Others are open to justify his actions as not racist, to support their own views.





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  #2020300 22-May-2018 12:31
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freitasm:

 

Others are open to justify his actions as not racist, to support their own views.

 

 

 

 

Or just calling it as they see it 

 

I mean his approval rating around 43% right now so either a large amount of americas doesn't mind supporting a "racist" or they don't see him as a racist I think the latter is far more likely. 


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  #2020302 22-May-2018 12:33
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Stan:

 

freitasm:

 

Others are open to justify his actions as not racist, to support their own views.

 

 

Or just calling it as they see it 

 

I mean his approval rating around 43% right now so either a large amount of americas doesn't mind supporting a "racist" or they don't see him as a racist I think the latter is far more likely. 

 

 

Have you read about all the white people calling police because a black person waited too long at Starbucks, or a black person left an AirBnB at night, or a black student dared to have a nap in the school hall? Or the NYC lawyer who goes on a rant because someone spoke Spanish in a shop? These are the people who support Trump.





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  #2020303 22-May-2018 12:38
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freitasm:

 

Stan:

 

freitasm:

 

Others are open to justify his actions as not racist, to support their own views.

 

 

Or just calling it as they see it 

 

I mean his approval rating around 43% right now so either a large amount of americas doesn't mind supporting a "racist" or they don't see him as a racist I think the latter is far more likely. 

 

 

Have you read about all the white people calling police because a black person waited too long at Starbucks, or a black person left an AirBnB at night, or a black student dared to have a nap in the school hall? These are the people who support Trump.

 

 

That's a very morbid view of the American people judging them from a handful of clickbait articles and then stereotyping all people who are prejudice into one political category.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2020304 22-May-2018 12:40
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OK, what causes you to believe your viewpoint is the correct one and the other is not?

 

 





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  #2020305 22-May-2018 12:45
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Stan:

 

That's a very morbid view of the American people judging them from a handful of clickbait articles and then stereotyping all people who are prejudice into one political category.

 

 

Not of American people - that would be racist. Of Trump supporters, right-wing nuts, evangelical christians and conspiracy theory believers. In short, those who support Trump.





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  #2020307 22-May-2018 12:47
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Rikkitic:

 

OK, what causes you to believe your viewpoint is the correct one and the other is not?

 

 

 

 

First off I believe I have never stated my opinion as fact more this is what I think whereas others are stating their opinion as fact.


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  #2020310 22-May-2018 12:50
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Stan:

 

freitasm:

 

Others are open to justify his actions as not racist, to support their own views.

 

 

 

 

Or just calling it as they see it 

 

I mean his approval rating around 43% right now so either a large amount of americas doesn't mind supporting a "racist" or they don't see him as a racist I think the latter is far more likely. 

 

 

They probably don't see themselves as racist. 

 

Here's an example of unconscious racism:

 

My son's boss is NZ born Indian.  They work together. People almost always assume that my son is the boss.

 

Not just "sometimes" - it's almost always.


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  #2020311 22-May-2018 12:51
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freitasm:

 

Stan:

 

That's a very morbid view of the American people judging them from a handful of clickbait articles and then stereotyping all people who are prejudice into one political category.

 

 

Not of American people - that would be racist. Of Trump supporters, right-wing nuts, evangelical christians and conspiracy theory believers. In short, those who support Trump.

 

 

Stereotyping again am I just supposed to take that as fact? 

 

This is who the 63 million people who voted for Trump are made out of none of them supported Hillary or any 3rd party. 


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  #2020312 22-May-2018 12:54
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freitasm:

 

I THINK Trump is racist.

 

 

Almost 6 in 10 Americans think Trump is a racist.


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  #2020313 22-May-2018 12:57
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freitasm:

 

I THINK Trump is racist.

 

 

Thanks I disagree

 

Fred99\:

 

They probably don't see themselves as racist. 

 

Here's an example of unconscious racism:

 

My son's boss is NZ born Indian.  They work together. People almost always assume that my son is the boss.

 

Not just "sometimes" - it's almost always.

 

 

If everyone has these racist attendances why is it even purport it to a political point of view like Trump supporters


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