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  #2020333 22-May-2018 13:19
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freitasm:

 

Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

So according to fred99 a large % of people are racist because they assume a white person is boss over an indian if that is the case and most people are racist why even bring it up?

 

 

You don't understand there's a difference between conscious and unconscious racism?

 

Yes - most people are unconsciously racist.  That can be proved with psychological tests.

 

 

So Trump is unconsciously racist or consciously racist in your opinion?

 

 

It doesn't matter. It's racism. One is no better than the other.

 

 

But according to what fred is referring to everyone being racist why just point out trump?


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  #2020335 22-May-2018 13:20
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Stan:

 

 

 

No where did I imply that? All i said was assuming this is true why bother calling trump racist anyway if everyone is?

 

 

 

 

because ALL racists need to be called to account.


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  #2020336 22-May-2018 13:21
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Didn't take long to get back to boring, tedious, argumentative semantics.


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  #2020337 22-May-2018 13:21
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Stan:

 

Because Trump uses unconscious racism as a wedges to divide (and conquer). Opionion

 

The GOP used this with their campaigns on Facebook using Cambridge Analytica, Russian Trolls working (or not) for Putin did the same. No evidence for Trump's collusion with Russia has been presented thus far so first statement is beside any point. Cambridge Analytica got turned down by trump's campaign because they thought they where full of it. 

 

 

Oh dear.  LOL.  You're having a Breitbart moment!

 

You do realise that Cory Lewandowski got fired in June 2016 - and Manafort, Bannon etc moved in.


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  #2020338 22-May-2018 13:23
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dclegg:

 

Correct. It's called casual racism, and is very common. That doesn't make it OK, and is something we should all be aware of and look to improve in ourselves.

But Donald Trump's well documented behaviour and comments go way beyond casual racism. 

 

 

This is exactly right.  Thank you.


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  #2020339 22-May-2018 13:24
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MikeB4:

 

Stan:

 

 

 

No where did I imply that? All i said was assuming this is true why bother calling trump racist anyway if everyone is?

 

 

 

 

because ALL racists need to be called to account.

 

 

Everyone needs to admit they are a racist?

 

I don't but then im not a fan of where that ideolady leads

 

 


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  #2020340 22-May-2018 13:24
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Stan:

 

But according to what fred is referring to everyone being racist why just point out trump?

 

 

Because he is absolutely not "unconsciously racist".  He uses racism to further his own ends.  


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  #2020341 22-May-2018 13:26
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Stan:

 

MikeB4:

 

Stan:

 

 

 

No where did I imply that? All i said was assuming this is true why bother calling trump racist anyway if everyone is?

 

 

 

 

because ALL racists need to be called to account.

 

 

Everyone needs to admit they are a racist?

 

I don't but then im not a fan of where that ideolady leads

 

 

 

 

That's an extremely disingenuous twisted argument. 


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  #2020343 22-May-2018 13:31
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dclegg:

 

'Too inconvenient:' Trump goes rogue on phone security

 

 

 

 

OK I left off one of his traits in my earlier post. He is also stupid. I seem to remember him ranting about Clinton doing something similar.


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  #2020345 22-May-2018 13:32
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Fred99:

 

Stan:

 

MikeB4:

 

Stan:

 

 

 

No where did I imply that? All i said was assuming this is true why bother calling trump racist anyway if everyone is?

 

 

 

 

because ALL racists need to be called to account.

 

 

Everyone needs to admit they are a racist?

 

I don't but then im not a fan of where that ideolady leads

 

 

 

 

That's an extremely disingenuous twisted argument. 

 

 

Its not IMHO its how the extreme right is becoming more prevalent.

 

"Because he is absolutely not "unconsciously racist".  He uses racism to further his own ends."

 

Okay so there are levels of racism so on a scale of 1-10 how racist in your opinion is trump and how racist is the average person


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  #2020356 22-May-2018 13:45
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Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

That's an extremely disingenuous twisted argument. 

 

 

Its not IMHO its how the extreme right is becoming more prevalent.

 

 

The extreme right is a poisonous snake. It is racist, xenophobe, nationalist (without being patriotic which is different stuff).

 

Whomever supports the extreme right is wrong. Peace and quality of life exists in the middle of the spectrum.

 

The extreme right uses the politics of fear to collect souls to support their cause. 





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  #2020358 22-May-2018 13:51
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freitasm:

 

The extreme right is a poisonous snake. It is racist, xenophobe, nationalist (without being patriotic which is different stuff).

 

Whomever supports the extreme right is wrong. Peace and quality of life exists in the middle of the spectrum.

 

The extreme right uses the politics of fear to collect souls to support their cause. 

 

 

While I agree with you, in a moral debate you can never really conclude absolute rights and wrongs.

 

You think it's wrong, I think it's wrong - but what gives us moral superiority?


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  #2020382 22-May-2018 13:57
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freitasm:

 

Stan:

 

Fred99:

 

That's an extremely disingenuous twisted argument. 

 

 

Its not IMHO its how the extreme right is becoming more prevalent.

 

 

The extreme right is a poisonous snake. It is racist, xenophobe, nationalist (without being patriotic which is different stuff).

 

Whomever supports the extreme right is wrong. Peace and quality of life exists in the middle of the spectrum.

 

The extreme right uses the politics of fear to collect souls to support their cause. 

 

 

I have spent 1000s (no over exaggeration here) of hours studying it, I would agree but would also add that it's not like it used to be there tactics have changed they have evolved it started back in the late 90s with a controversial genetics book that I will not link here. One of there key tools accepting the fact that everyone is racist unconsciously because if if this is true they say okay maybe people shouldn't live together then.

 

Its one reason why I do not buy into that specific idea that everyone is inherently racist.


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  #2020384 22-May-2018 13:58
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Paul1977:

 

freitasm:

 

The extreme right is a poisonous snake. It is racist, xenophobe, nationalist (without being patriotic which is different stuff).

 

Whomever supports the extreme right is wrong. Peace and quality of life exists in the middle of the spectrum.

 

The extreme right uses the politics of fear to collect souls to support their cause. 

 

 

While I agree with you, in a moral debate you can never really conclude absolute rights and wrongs.

 

You think it's wrong, I think it's wrong - but what gives us moral superiority?

 

 

 

 

The same "moral superiority" that prompted the action  in 1939. 


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