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  #2039259 17-Jun-2018 20:39
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DaveB:

 

Jake Tapper is the type of Lib that you just want to punch.

 

 

You say that as if liberals and liberalism was a plague. I feel like nazis and racists need to be punched. And I wouldn't compare liberals with nazis, fascists and racists.





 

 

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  #2039265 17-Jun-2018 20:49
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@DaveB:

 

Jake Tapper is the type of Lib that you just want to punch.

 

 

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender and race equality, internationalism and the freedoms of speech, the press, religion and markets."

 

I would like to understand what part of this definition makes you hate liberalism and liberals so much.

 

Is it the civil rights, freedom of religion and markets, the democracy, or the equality?





 

 

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  #2039270 17-Jun-2018 21:09
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DaveB:

 

I don't support CNN US as a prime example of unbiased news coverage.

 

 

 

 

How would you rate Fox News? Do you have an example of news websites that are 100% unbiased?


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  #2039273 17-Jun-2018 21:14
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I consider myself a liberal, except I don't feel I have done enough to earn the honour. But the more the right attacks us, the prouder I feel. A liberal is a good thing to be. We are on the side of the angels.

 

 





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  #2039279 17-Jun-2018 21:32
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freitasm:

 

DaveB:

 

Jake Tapper is the type of Lib that you just want to punch.

 

 

You say that as if liberals and liberalism was a plague. I feel like nazis and racists need to be punched. And I wouldn't compare liberals with nazis, fascists and racists.

 

 

 

 

No, no, no, no, no. I said Jake Tapper is the type of Lib that I would like to punch. I agree with you about Nazis and racists. Who is comparing?

 

Tapper represents liberalism at it's worse - an attitude of pathetic superiority should you disagree with his view, rather than recognition of what the concept of true liberalism really represents i.e. tolerance and acceptance.

 

The idea of liberalism was great in the 70s and 80s. Sadly it has become nothing more than a social class in this internet age.


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  #2039288 17-Jun-2018 21:46
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tdgeek:

 

DaveB:

 

I don't support CNN US as a prime example of unbiased news coverage.

 

 

How would you rate Fox News? Do you have an example of news websites that are 100% unbiased?

 

 

Fox News are just as bad as CNN (US feed) and MSNBC (US feed) in their chosen political bias. Media is quite simple. "When I can read a news story and not know which side of the story the reporter is on .......... that's when it is a good news story".

 

If it is US news, keep away from distorted US media and supportive, regurgitating websites. Look at the same stories (and spins) on SKY News UK, BBC, RT and Al Jazeera. All of these 24 hour news sites are easily watched through various means.


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  #2039381 18-Jun-2018 08:45
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DaveB:

 

"When I can read a news story and not know which side of the story the reporter is on .......... that's when it is a good news story".

 

 

I'd say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

 

People like to read/view news that is sensational but also supports their world-view.  That's a good news story.

 

The other form of bias by news media isn't content of individual stories - it's choice of stories they cover and the prominence they give them.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2039449 18-Jun-2018 09:59
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I believe there is also another measure. Some media like Fox News have redefined themselves as propaganda machines. They don't merely report events, but try to actively push a particular ideology-driven world view. In itself there is nothing wrong with that, but Fox in particular and also other media on the right have repeatedly been shown to invent or distort facts to suit the message they are trying to convey. If the facts don't fit, they change them. They make stuff up. They don't even pretend to try to be objective. They are proselytisers, who think that the end justifies the means. They don't present the news. They present very biased opinion in a news wrapping. They don't want to inform you. They want to persuade you. At this they are very successful.

 

All media have a bias. It is impossible not to. But reputable media genuinely strive to present uncoloured objective news. Examples are Reuters and BBC. Media like the Washington Post and CNN do have a bias that favours the left, but they don't make stuff up. They strive to report real news and if they get something wrong, they report that as well. I do not think they can be compared to the screaming harpies of the Right.

 

CNN in particular is out to get Trump and his cronies, in the sense that they will report anything that makes Trump & co look bad, but they don't invent stuff. It is worth bearing in mind that Trump declared war on them when he started blathering on about fake news at the time of his campaign. This is a fairly obvious ploy. If you are playing dirty and you want to discredit your opponents, just accuse them of what you are doing. Everyone makes mistakes, but the calculated fake news is nearly all on the Right.

 

 





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  #2039519 18-Jun-2018 11:08
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DaveB:

 

You can see the hate in his eyes. I've seen him twice on TV now and his arrogance for a 32 year old is scary.

 

 

An image for those who haven't seen him:

 

 

 


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  #2039545 18-Jun-2018 11:33
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Opps - I deleted my Avenatti tweet post:

 

 

 

My comment that this guy has the street-smarts and sheer guts needed by the Democrats - if they're going to bring down Trump and cronies.
He's probably got too much "history" to enter politics, but he's becoming a hero and certainly "triggers" a rabid response from Trumpists.  He also seems to keep winning.


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  #2039554 18-Jun-2018 11:39
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DaveB:

 

I don't support CNN US as a prime example of unbiased news coverage. Jake Tapper is the type of Lib that you just want to punch. BUT, I would stand behind Tapper any day when compared to that awful Miller. Can you imagine this POS as a father? Watch his body twitching. I am convinced he is possessed!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watching that video and seeing his involuntary movements I wonder if he has something like MS or early Parkinson's or similar.


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  #2039564 18-Jun-2018 11:49
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DaveB:

 

I don't support CNN US as a prime example of unbiased news coverage.

 

 

 

 

I dont recall anyone saying they were. You also said Fox is as bad as CNN. Fox is a show, its not news, Fox Extra and all that. Its rubbish and blatant. Do you see debates with a pro and anti person on Fox? See that a lot on CNN, and those 5 or 10 minute interview/debates are respectful. Bottom line is id you are biased but you tell all, the story will take care of itself. Not hard in today's US environment. Its a crazy, immature and clueless situation over there

 

In latest news, India is now retaliating with tariffs. Not a lot, but a backward policy has backfired, again.


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  #2039569 18-Jun-2018 11:56
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Got this off Fox New. That is 100% fake news if ever I saw it. Trump blames Democrats, Scarramucci blames Congress. Its Trumps law

 

 

 

Separating innocent children from their families is not the Christian way, the American way, nor what @POTUS wants. Congress must act to stop this madness.


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  #2039584 18-Jun-2018 12:27
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Oooooh, is The Mooch back? Things are about to get 3000% more insane!





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  #2039594 18-Jun-2018 12:32
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Fred99:

 

DaveB:

 

You can see the hate in his eyes. I've seen him twice on TV now and his arrogance for a 32 year old is scary.

 

 

An image for those who haven't seen him:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PeeWee Herman's evil twin


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