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  #2041568 21-Jun-2018 10:35
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Right now the USA,Italy, France and Greece must be looking carefully at Australia's solution to illegal immigration. Whether the people are genuine refugees or are economic migrants is not a clear cut thing, but there is no denying that the number of boats coming to Australia has dropped to nearly zero.

 

Maybe there will be very lucrative deals done with Libya, Egypt, and Mexico to set up huge detention camps. Then use the navies of the EU countries to turn these boats around or deliver the people back to where they came from. With enough money thrown at the problem these camps could be made to be humane and reasonably comfortable. Money from the USA, and the wealthy Euro nations would solve this problem. Fixing what Trump calls the 'excrement' countries torn apart by gangs and civil wars may never happen.

 

 


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  #2041590 21-Jun-2018 11:10
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amiga500:

 

Right now the USA,Italy, France and Greece must be looking carefully at Australia's solution to illegal immigration. Whether the people are genuine refugees or are economic migrants is not a clear cut thing, but there is no denying that the number of boats coming to Australia has dropped to nearly zero.

 

Maybe there will be very lucrative deals done with Libya, Egypt, and Mexico to set up huge detention camps. Then use the navies of the EU countries to turn these boats around or deliver the people back to where they came from. With enough money thrown at the problem these camps could be made to be humane and reasonably comfortable. Money from the USA, and the wealthy Euro nations would solve this problem. Fixing what Trump calls the 'excrement' countries torn apart by gangs and civil wars may never happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Australia's solution is no solution at all. It may have temporarily stopped boats from heading to Australia but ultimately it results in a prison the size of a town full of desperate people, or as it otherwise known, a ghetto. Worse than a ghetto even, because at least residents of a ghetto can usually leave it to work during the day.

 

The Australian position however is also a valid one: if you crossed through five other countries where your life was *not* in danger before heading to Australia then that somewhat weakens your claim that you need to enter Australia to claim asylum for fear of your life.





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  #2041593 21-Jun-2018 11:23
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DaveB:

 

Fred99:

 

"Womp womp" - Republican response:

 

 

 

 

The sad thing about that news capture was how the (obviously) ex-military guy was not hit across the head by the other fellas hand-bag. Opportunity missed!

 

"How dare you? How dare you Sir? Sir how dare you"? Let's be honest here, Lewandowski probably lapped that up.

 

I know, I know - I'm old school. But in my day, to refer to anybody as sir was a sign of respect. Instant fail in this case. Lewandowski deserves zero respect for that wah wah comment and that's where many Libs don't get it.

 

I would have called Lewandowski out for what he is - and the first word starts with N and the second ends with T. Being nice, polite and accepting of each other is leading us down a potentially ugly path. 

 

 

 

 

It is old school news man decorum. Channeling the likes of Robert R Murrow. To polite company it is still keeping it family friendly but still showing outrage. Unfortunately that is probably lost on most. The better reaction would be a sutnned "What the F... is wrong with you?" but then they would complain about his use of bad words ignoring the guy mocking disabled children.


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  #2041755 21-Jun-2018 15:12
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What if I could show you a document detailing this was happening under Obama and Bush. And that the idea for separating families to deter immigration was not trumps?

 

Download the report here https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/joint-organization-report_-betraying-family-values , read it thoroughly, and check the dates.

 

 

 

 


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  #2041760 21-Jun-2018 15:25
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tdgeek:

He has backed down over family seperation, and also stated that he hasn't backed down. He said he needed Democrats or Congress to fix this, but apparently not, he has signed an executive order.


Needless to say it did not require an executive order to stop. His administration could have said stop this as easily as it had said start this.

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  #2041762 21-Jun-2018 15:27
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vulcannz:

 

What if I could show you a document detailing this was happening under Obama and Bush.

 

 

Well then I would say two things:

 

     

  1. It doesn't matter who started it, it's still wrong
  2. Neither Obama nor Bush officials or hangers-on stood up in public and said it was God's Will, 'Womp Womp' or any of other things that would quite frankly make me walk away from someone lest I punch them in mouth

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2041764 21-Jun-2018 15:34
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vulcannz:

What if I could show you a document detailing this was happening under Obama and Bush. And that the idea for separating families to deter immigration was not trumps?


Download the report here https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/download/joint-organization-report_-betraying-family-values , read it thoroughly, and check the dates.


I don't doubt there were cases occurring under Obama in some circumstances. All the same there was nothing wholesale like the Trump administration had directed.

It became apparent several months ago that the Trump administration had directed something very specific and applying to far greater numbers several months ago. Pence obviously knew this when he defended the policy. They expected to get away with it and they expected widespread support for the 'deterrent' policy. They were wrong.

Many of these people are likely to be returning to family already in the states and even returning to the same employment. USA really needs to get real about immigration and start issuing proper residency and visas etc.

 
 
 
 


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  #2041769 21-Jun-2018 15:44
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Never the less, it is worth a decent read. That is all I ask.


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  #2041792 21-Jun-2018 16:15
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vulcannz:

 

Never the less, it is worth a decent read. That is all I ask.

 

 

I haven't got time to waste on right-wing bullsh!t like this. Who cares what someone did or didn't do in the past? What point are you trying to prove? Bush isn't president. Obama isn't president. A lying, evil, neo-fascist SOB named Trump is. That is the reality we should be dealing with. I have no patience with a$$holes who try to make him look 'better' by reciting what others have done, whether true or not.

 

 

 

 





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  #2041849 21-Jun-2018 17:09
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ABC - Trump ends separation of immigrant families.

 


 

Since May more than 2,300 children have been separated from their parents as part of the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy on illegal crossings at the US-Mexico border, according to US Customs and Border Protection.

 

Amid an outcry in the US over the policy, President Donald Trump has signed an executive order to keep families together while they are detained.

 

But the fate of the children already separated from their families remains unclear ...

 

 





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  #2041881 21-Jun-2018 18:43
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Trump:  North Korea and Trade issues on a collision course. He will benefit from more practice at backing down.

 

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/kim-xi-meeting-trump-summit/index.html

 

 


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  #2041935 21-Jun-2018 19:52
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China and Russia are playing chess, and Trump doesn't know he's the pawn.


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  #2041940 21-Jun-2018 19:57
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Another cartoon at another level ...

 





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  #2042052 21-Jun-2018 23:11
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/104889382/melania-trumps-pressure-helped-persuade-husband-to-end-border-separation-policy

 

Sigh..

 

"After signing the order, Trump acknowledged that Melania and his daughter Ivanka, who has three young children, urged him to make the change."

 

Good on them. But....the world complained, over and over, ignored. Until his family pressured him. Just great.It just shows that he will buckle under family pressure. But not pressure from elsewhere

 

 

 

"The first lady often comments about children being precious and vulnerable. But the White House was battling a huge image problem about how its border policy was hurting children."  

 

Ok, normal transmission resumed. It was family pressure, and/or the huge image problem. Not really about the kids 


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From 2014. Makes me wish I was on a rudderless ship


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