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  #2056905 16-Jul-2018 10:22
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...  The lies were constantly repeated on radio. The lies were constantly hammered.  ...

 

 

Donald prefers Twitter.

 





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  #2056951 16-Jul-2018 10:58
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What appalls me so much about all  this is that people are letting it happen. With Hitler there was at least the excuse that many did not realise where they were headed. We now have that lesson of history yet it is still happening again. Where the hell are the democrats? Where is the rest of the world? Yes, there are protests but we are still letting it happen. When does it become too late?

 

 





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  #2056964 16-Jul-2018 11:14
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DaveB:

 

Trump is well on his way to his second term and the only way to stop this is to rethink the delivery of the Leftie Liberal message.

 

 

You keep saying things like this. I would be interested to know what you think 'leftie liberal' is, other than a silly label. Are you suggesting we can change the minds of Trump voters if we all just put baseball caps on backwards and talk like semi-literate Neanderthals?

 

 





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  #2057020 16-Jul-2018 12:23
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Rikkitic:

 

DaveB:

 

Trump is well on his way to his second term and the only way to stop this is to rethink the delivery of the Leftie Liberal message.

 

 

You keep saying things like this. I would be interested to know what you think 'leftie liberal' is, other than a silly label. Are you suggesting we can change the minds of Trump voters if we all just put baseball caps on backwards and talk like semi-literate Neanderthals?

 

 

 

 

I urge you to take a step back and think about that label, why you'd object to it in the first place (it's pretty mild after all!), and whether you'd be more inclined or less inclined to listen to the views of someone suggesting that you may be a "leftie liberal".  I'm 100% sure it'd be less inclined - hence it's quite reasonable to assume that calling those Trumpists "deplorables" or whatever might incline them to go elsewhere for opinion and information on the topic, and automatically reject what you'd say forever.  That was a huge mistake by Clinton - and it should never be repeated.

 

As far as social media goes.  Zuckerberg and Facebook is a serious problem.  Sure if you're reasonably concerned and/or understand WTF is going on, you can do more to secure your information on FB and how it's used than you could a couple of years ago. Zuckerberg puts on a poker face and sincerely promised to do something to "fix" the issues, knowing that as an "opt-out" process, the target demographic that he's monetised won't care enough or won't understand how they're used.  At the other end, people who are aware and do opt out are far more likely to be immune to "fake news" anyway - they'll spot it and reject it for what it is instantly. Zuckerberg will not do the right thing willingly, not now, not ever.

 

Facebook has absolutely no intention of doing the right thing.  They're actively arguing that facilitating lunatic asylum alt-right neofascist conspiracy theorist "Info Wars" by giving then unfettered full access to FB is needed for "balance". They launch a news streaming service "Facebook Watch" with claims that'll help improve "balance" - and here's the schedule below.  See any problem with "balance" here?

 

 

 


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  #2057046 16-Jul-2018 13:05
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I urge you to take a step back and think about that label, why you'd object to it in the first place (it's pretty mild after all!), and whether you'd be more inclined or less inclined to listen to the views of someone suggesting that you may be a "leftie liberal".  I'm 100% sure it'd be less inclined - hence it's quite reasonable to assume that calling those Trumpists "deplorables" or whatever might incline them to go elsewhere for opinion and information on the topic, and automatically reject what you'd say forever.  That was a huge mistake by Clinton - and it should never be repeated.

 

As far as social media goes.  Zuckerberg and Facebook is a serious problem.  Sure if you're reasonably concerned and/or understand WTF is going on, you can do more to secure your information on FB and how it's used than you could a couple of years ago. Zuckerberg puts on a poker face and sincerely promised to do something to "fix" the issues, knowing that as an "opt-out" process, the target demographic that he's monetised won't care enough or won't understand how they're used.  At the other end, people who are aware and do opt out are far more likely to be immune to "fake news" anyway - they'll spot it and reject it for what it is instantly. Zuckerberg will not do the right thing willingly, not now, not ever.

 

Facebook has absolutely no intention of doing the right thing.  They're actively arguing that facilitating lunatic asylum alt-right neofascist conspiracy theorist "Info Wars" by giving then unfettered full access to FB is needed for "balance". They launch a news streaming service "Facebook Watch" with claims that'll help improve "balance" - and here's the schedule below.  See any problem with "balance" here?

 

 

I object to it because it is an implied sneer. I don't mind being called liberal. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I like it better than the alternatives. I don't really mind being called 'left', though it lacks precision. I don't like being called 'a lefty'. It is demeaning because it trivialises something I take seriously. It is like calling a woman a chick. It is a veiled insult.

 

I don't think it is smart to insult someone you are trying to have a meaningful debate with, and that works in both directions, but I also don't believe it is honest to pander to those you are trying to persuade. There are some who think this is a legitimate tactic, as in it is acceptable to pretend to be a little bit racist in order to get someone to listen to your argument against racism. That is like selling your soul to the devil. I think Clinton's timing and choice of words was unfortunate. I do not think she was wrong.

 

Having Fox News in your home is like having a snake in your bed. It is a pure propaganda channel dedicated to pushing a particular (and particularly nasty) point of view. It is not conservative. It is neo-fascist. It makes no attempt to be fair or even honest. It lies to serves its ends. Comparing this to a real news channel like CNN (yes, 'progressive' by American standards but it doesn't intentionally lie) doesn't mean a thing. It is like comparing Goebbels to Walter Cronkite. 

 

 





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  #2057051 16-Jul-2018 13:14
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Rikkitic: I object to it because it is an implied sneer. I don't mind being called liberal. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but I like it better than the alternatives. I don't really mind being called 'left', though it lacks precision. I don't like being called 'a lefty'. It is demeaning because it trivialises something I take seriously. It is like calling a woman a chick. It is a veiled insult.

 

 

QFT. People are calling others "liberals" as a pejorative - similar to "antifa" being used as a sneer. Well, let me tell you what, folks: "antifa" makes sense when the option is a fascist, authoritarian, racist, bigot regime supported by like-minded people.





 

 

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  #2057069 16-Jul-2018 13:46
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Perhaps how ridiculous the name-calling has become is well shown by this:

 

H.R.6054 - Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018

 

So anybody - regardless of any political or other affiliation or reason they may have - wearing a mask when rioting (or non violent protest that causes obstruction)  etc risks being prosecuted with harsh "penalty enhancements" under new proposed "Unmasking Antifa" laws.

 

Orwellian doublespeak from the fascist Republican Party.  

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2057074 16-Jul-2018 13:51
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I believe you are giving Trump way too much credit for anything bad or good for that matter. If you were to ask Trump a question on what he has just said, I would doubt he could answer. He literally opens his mouth with something he has seen or heard (probably from Fox and Friends) and doesnt seem to understand what he has just said.

 

I am yet to see him give any kind of analytical answer or statement to anything. His whole dialect is extremely short sentences, which is why Twitter is perfect for him. 

 

Hitler was smart and cunning(not in a good way). Trump is nothing like this, so comparisons shouldn't be made. This guy is so thick even his grey matter between his ears is now orange like the rest of him.

 

He believes in nothing except himself. 


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  #2057083 16-Jul-2018 14:07
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Under Trump, or inspired by him, there is a steady ongoing process of chipping away at rights and freedoms that have been built up over generations. The Antifa bill is just the latest example of that. I agree that Trump has the cerebral capacity of a Yorkshire pudding but dark creatures are attracted by his lack of restraint and are gathering around him. This is where the danger lies. Democracy is not being overthrown. It is dying from a thousand cuts.

 

 





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  #2057092 16-Jul-2018 14:30
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Pumpedd:

 

I believe you are giving Trump way too much credit for anything bad or good for that matter. If you were to ask Trump a question on what he has just said, I would doubt he could answer. He literally opens his mouth with something he has seen or heard (probably from Fox and Friends) and doesnt seem to understand what he has just said.

 

I am yet to see him give any kind of analytical answer or statement to anything. His whole dialect is extremely short sentences, which is why Twitter is perfect for him. 

 

Hitler was smart and cunning(not in a good way). Trump is nothing like this, so comparisons shouldn't be made. This guy is so thick even his grey matter between his ears is now orange like the rest of him.

 

He believes in nothing except himself. 

 

 

I don't believe he's a stupid as you think - and in any case his strings are being pulled by an administration and party with some very clear objectives.  Part of his inconsistency is due to being pulled back at times from outright open fascism by more moderate (but still hard right wing) "libertarian" elements in the GOP, but much of his base share Trump's views for creating a patriarchal authoritarian white new world order led by the USA. The moderates are losing.

 

He's on his way to meet with Putin now.  I expect he'll be trading favours, Trump's objective is possibly to get consent to obliterate Iran. 

 

 


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  #2057165 16-Jul-2018 15:41
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Fred99: Unmasking Antifa" laws.


A lot of Republicans aren't going to support this law. The KKK have being covering their faces for decades

Some ring-wingers already paranoid by the "deep state" and facial recognition software.

On the other hand, Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, South Dakota, Tennessee, North Carolina, Alabama and Texas have banned religious laws. In 2010 and 2011 more than two dozen states considered measures to restrict judges from consulting Shariah, or foreign and religious laws more generally.

Of course these idiots didn't consider that while they were "banning" Muslim Sharia law, Christianity would also fall under these laws.

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  #2057171 16-Jul-2018 15:50
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A lot of Republicans aren't going to support this law. The KKK have being covering their faces for decades.

 

Yeah - but there ain't nothin' intimidating about putting on the robes and masks and burning crosses is there? (that would still be legal)

 

Why - by next year they could even be good old boys on Government business:

 

Record Breaking Number of neo-Nazis and White Nationalists Running for Office in the U.S.


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  #2057489 16-Jul-2018 23:59
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Rikkitic:

 

I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage

 

I've parsed that sig quote a few times, and only just realised it's by Adam Savage.  I've spent many an hour following his Tested channel on YouTube.  I am not entirely sure that I completely understand his obsession with movie props, but I love watching how he makes stuff

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/testedcom

 

Anyway... Getting back on topic — That Donald Trump, I hate him wink

 

[EDIT] Watching TV1 news tonight, I was struck again by how Trump claims to accept Putin's denial of interfering with US elections, over an apparent mass of evidence from the FBI and CIA that Russia was guilty, and that Putin had to have been in on it.  Is this because accepting that Russia helped him get elected would take away from his narcissist belief that it was all down to him, or have Russia got something on him.  Actually, there's no reason why both can't be true.





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  #2057518 17-Jul-2018 08:08
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I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Putin got together with his mates after the Trump meeting. However, I think I heard the laughter from here.

 

I am really disturbed by the antagonistic approach to the western countries versus his cosying up to Russia. And to rubbish his own intelligence service in a public setting just defies belief. What good could possibly come out of that except to Russian and the real "foe".

 

 


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  #2057521 17-Jul-2018 08:15
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Rikkitic:

Under Trump, or inspired by him, there is a steady ongoing process of chipping away at rights and freedoms that have been built up over generations. The Antifa bill is just the latest example of that. I agree that Trump has the cerebral capacity of a Yorkshire pudding but dark creatures are attracted by his lack of restraint and are gathering around him. This is where the danger lies. Democracy is not being overthrown. It is dying from a thousand cuts.


 



Democracy through the 20th century and the infancy of the 21st century has been an illusion played with smoke and mirrors. Democracy is not dying by a thousand cuts the smoke and mirrors are merely being stripped away and the reality brought into view.




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