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  # 2131959 22-Nov-2018 15:23
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kingdragonfly: I've come to the conclusion that whenever Trump says "America" he means "money" ...

 

More precisely, he means "money for Trump"

 





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  # 2131996 22-Nov-2018 16:29
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  # 2132095 22-Nov-2018 18:02
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The Washington Post - Trump’s dangerous message to tyrants: Flash money and get away with murder

 

 

A clear and dangerous message has been sent to tyrants around the world: Flash enough money in front of the president of the United States, and you can literally get away with murder.

 

 





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  # 2132262 22-Nov-2018 20:55
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Batman: I wonder if President Trump will send crooked Ivanka to jail.

 

 

The Washington Post - Ivanka Trump ignores rules because she doesn’t treat the White House as a real job

 

 

Trump claims she didn’t know that her use of a private email account for government business was improper.

 

For that claim to be credible, Trump would have to argue that she somehow missed all the news about the 2016 campaign or that she was too oblivious to understand the implications of it.

 

So the simplest explanation is that she thinks the rules that applied to Clinton don’t apply to her.

 

To be fair, this is no surprise. Research suggests that ultrarich people genuinely believe that the rules don’t apply to them, and the rich tend to break rules and violate norms more frequently as a result. ...

 

EDIT:

 

... A defining characteristic of Trump values or lack thereof: If you can get away with something in plain sight, it’s not a crime in the first place.

 

Another Trump value: If a core rule or norm doesn’t matter to you personally, just ignore it, no matter how crucial it is to American democracy or the healthy functioning of society at large.

 

You’re rich, after all, and you don’t need all of these other people to live the good life.

 

Of what use is empathy? Or rules, when you can lawyer and spin your way around them?

 

And you think to yourself, what a wonderful world.

 

 

This explains the whole thing ... so no problem.  smile





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  # 2132420 23-Nov-2018 09:31
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Finally, Trump told the truth.

 

 

 

As part of a Thanksgiving comment, he finished off saying

 

"This country is so much stronger now than it was when I took office that you wouldn't believe it."

 

That's correct, finally a fact for a change. You are correct Donald, we wouldn't believe it.


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  # 2132689 23-Nov-2018 13:17
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The Washington Post - Trump says he can’t imagine anyone but himself as Time Person of the Year

 

 

 

 

Ah, the second true thing he has said so far this year.





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  # 2132700 23-Nov-2018 13:39
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Why is Trump selling himself short?

I'm sure he couldn't imagine a better soldier, fire fighter, business man, climate expert, medical reformer, or male model more worthy for accolades.

Heck, maybe the cleaning staff should install windshield wipers and washers on his bedroom mirrors, to deal with the constant protein stains.

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  # 2132709 23-Nov-2018 13:55
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My nominee is Jamal Khashoggi, who gave his life for the principles he believed in. I can't imagine anyone more deserving. Trump is a carbuncle. 

 

 





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  # 2132728 23-Nov-2018 14:38
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Rikkitic:

 

My nominee is Jamal Khashoggi, who gave his life for the principles he believed in. I can't imagine anyone more deserving. Trump is a carbuncle. 

 

 

 

 

Khashoggi is one of millions killed in the line of his occupation. Dozens more are executed every week in the Gulf area for perceived crimes of a far less nature.

 

Turkey isnt innocent by any means in its crimes against its people.

 

Are we really entitled to believe we can change the mindset of these countries whose deliver penalties in the name of their religion  or whatever?

 

I dont believe any President would stop trade with Saudi over this crime, or would enact harsh sanctions against them as America needs Saudi, infact we all do. 

 

A better option may have been for Trump to STFU, and perhaps push for a regime change by getting the CP to stand aside for another family member.

 

Obama wouldnt have changed much here, but rather he would have changed the way the message was delivered. Trump is right, that if the push became to great it would make Saudi closer to Russia and China.

 

It is very complex and it is easy to be righteous, but then we would all be paying for it. The answer is long term rather than short term gut reactions.


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  # 2132745 23-Nov-2018 14:47
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as America needs Saudi, infact we all do. 

 

 

 

 

No. We don't. There are already viable alternatives to oil and gas for enough applications that we could handle the residual with somewhat less human-rights-abusing sources while we work on ways to deal with those too. There is no better excuse for weaning ourselves off oil than "I don't want to".





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  # 2132748 23-Nov-2018 14:50
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Bluntj:

 

as America needs Saudi, infact we all do. 

 

 

 

 

No. We don't. There are already viable alternatives to oil and gas for enough applications that we could handle the residual with somewhat less human-rights-abusing sources while we work on ways to deal with those too. There is no better excuse for weaning ourselves off oil than "I don't want to".

 

 

That makes me laugh out loud so much my sides almost burst.


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  # 2132751 23-Nov-2018 14:53
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My own belief is that if you don't have any principles, nothing you gain is worth having anyway. If there was any will, there are plenty of things that could be done to punish the Saudis that would really hurt them without bringing the while house of cards down. An obvious example: Khashoggi's columns and other activities were clearly upsetting the prince enough to warrant having him murdered, so an all-out effort should be mounted to find and support others like him to do the same thing, only times 100. Even despots are sensitive, sometimes hypersensitive, to bad press. This has been demonstrated over and over again.

 

I would gladly pay something, even a lot, for the privilege of being righteous about this. Why should scum like that be allowed to get away scott-free? If no-one ever does anything, nothing changes.   

 

 





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  # 2132754 23-Nov-2018 14:57
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Bluntj:

 

That makes me laugh out loud so much my sides almost burst.

 

 

 

 

A nice glass of oil should help with that.





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  # 2132755 23-Nov-2018 15:00
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Rikkitic:

 

My own belief is that if you don't have any principles, nothing you gain is worth having anyway. If there was any will, there are plenty of things that could be done to punish the Saudis that would really hurt them without bringing the while house of cards down. An obvious example: Khashoggi's columns and other activities were clearly upsetting the prince enough to warrant having him murdered, so an all-out effort should be mounted to find and support others like him to do the same thing, only times 100. Even despots are sensitive, sometimes hypersensitive, to bad press. This has been demonstrated over and over again.

 

I would gladly pay something, even a lot, for the privilege of being righteous about this. Why should scum like that be allowed to get away scott-free? If no-one ever does anything, nothing changes.   

 

 

 

 

I agree with you. We do indeed need principles. But who says our principles are better than theirs? People with our principles are far outweighed by principles we dont agree with...eg China, Gulf etcetc

 

I too was/am aghast at what the Gulf did to Khashoggi, and I am equally aghast at Trumps reaction.


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