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  #2140681 6-Dec-2018 16:57
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Rikkitic:

 

I'm not sure what a Republican is anymore. They used to be people who believed in conservative values like honesty, decency and fair play. Now they seem to have sold out to Trump’s distorted ‘win at all costs’ mantra. In Wisconsin and Michigan they are changing the rules to undermine the result of a democratic election. I guess that means they don’t believe in democracy any longer. I saw one Republican official with twisted features loudly proclaim that he wasn’t about to allow any ‘liberal agenda’ there. What voters want doesn’t seem to matter much to him. Some narrow Republican victories elsewhere also seem suspect, while other elections have been the result of blatant gerrymandering and voter repression. And now, in South Carolina, a major voter fraud investigation is underway. Republicans used to believe in ethics and a fair contest of ideas. But I doubt an old-school Republican like George HW Bush would recognise much in the mean-spirited cabal now claiming the label.

 

 

Still early days. I still believe in people to do whats right.....eventually. American politics is a huge slow machine and nothing happens quickly. It will happen however.


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  #2140701 6-Dec-2018 17:30
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Bluntj: ...I still believe in people to do whats right.....eventually...

 

 

Trump and his people doing 'whats right'? You've gotta be kidding.




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  #2140704 6-Dec-2018 17:33
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Perhaps he's saying people will do the right thing - as in Republicans stop supporting the Orange One and his gang.





 

 

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  #2140705 6-Dec-2018 17:36
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freitasm:

 

Perhaps he's saying people will do the right thing - as in Republicans stop supporting the Orange One and his gang.

 

 

Correct!


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  #2140782 6-Dec-2018 18:45
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Five Times Donald "hypocrite" Trump Has Bashed Pleading The Fifth

Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn plans to invoke the Fifth Amendment in the Russia probe and notified the Senate Intelligence Committee that he will not comply with a subpoena.



and Roger Stone cartoon

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  #2140801 6-Dec-2018 19:44
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The New York Times - Wisconsin Republicans Defiantly Move to Limit the Power of Incoming Democrats

 

More dirty deeds.

 

Extracts from a long and complicated article ...

 

 

MADISON, Wis. - When Wisconsin Republicans pushed through a sweeping set of bills Wednesday to limit the power of the state’s newly elected Democrats, it was another hardball maneuver by [the Republican speaker of the Assembly] who has played a key role in driving the state sharply to the right.

 

After hours of mysterious closed-door meetings that went past midnight, the Wisconsin Senate convened at 4:30 on Wednesday morning and passed by one vote a package of bills devised to curb the powers of the incoming Democratic leaders.

 

The State Assembly followed suit by a much larger margin later in the morning.

 

The package of bills passed Wednesday take aim at the powers of not just the [incoming] governor, but those of the newly elected Democratic attorney general ...

 

Under the legislation, the attorney general would need lawmakers’ approval to settle certain suits, and legislative leaders would be permitted to intervene and hire their own lawyers - in addition to the attorney general - if the constitutionality of a law was being challenged.

 

The attorney general could no longer appoint a solicitor general to represent the state in major lawsuits, and would be restricted in how he spent settlement money, which lawmakers would now oversee.

 

Senators also confirmed 82 last-minute [Republican] appointees despite the protestations of legislative Democrats, who said the candidates had not been thoroughly vetted ...

 

 

 

 

 





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  #2140812 6-Dec-2018 20:09
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The Republicans are just trying to steal the country. And dumbshit people are voting for them.





 

 

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  #2140826 6-Dec-2018 21:06
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Any normal human being that is not the walking piece of faeces that is Trump would realise that the way he was snubbed by all the living ex-Presidents and their families during the funeral for GHWB revealed a lot about his character. I wouldn't describe the people who voted for him as dumb****s. They are utterly contemptible beings that are living insults to humanity, just like their favourite blowhard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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#2140834 6-Dec-2018 21:38
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Hey, no need to hold back, just tell us how you feel, okay?

 





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  #2141116 7-Dec-2018 11:39
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Victorina Morales at her home in Bound Brook, N.J

 


The Washington Post -
President Trump uses undocumented immigrant labor. Is anyone surprised?

 

 

During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies.
When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.
Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.

 

Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper. ...

 

 

 

... Trump has a long history of using foreign and undocumented labor, without much regard for the American workers he says are displaced by immigrant labor and sometimes without evident concern for the law.

 

     

  1. Trump regularly hires foreign workers for jobs as housekeepers and cooks at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida.
  2. Trump’s modeling agency, Trump Model Management, brought foreign models to the United States to work, despite the fact that they were in the country on tourist visas, a violation of the law.
  3. Trump Tower was built in part by undocumented Polish workers who sued Trump to get wages they said they were owed.

 





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  #2141118 7-Dec-2018 11:45
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Surprised?





 

 

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  #2141121 7-Dec-2018 11:47
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geekIT: Hey, no need to hold back, just tell us how you feel, okay?

 

LOL, that post may seem extreme, but read the thread title. I've read worse, and its all true. If after all this time and all the stuff that has gone down, if he is still a voters hero and saviour, just wow.


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  #2141126 7-Dec-2018 11:57
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Funnily enough I am at this very moment watching a report on Trump's use of undocumented labour on MSNBC.

 

 





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  #2141148 7-Dec-2018 12:47
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The New York Times - Republican Efforts to End Democracy

 

This group will not willingly cede its power.

 

By Charles M. Blow
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Do not believe that we are still living in a functioning democracy. We are not.

Republicans across this country are doing everything they can to impede, alter and override the power of the personal vote.

This strikes at the very heart of democracy, both undermining people’s faith in it and contorting it until it no long resembles what it claims to be.

 

On Wednesday, The New York Times reported that Republicans succeeded in their wish:

 

“After hours of mysterious closed-door meetings that went past midnight, the Wisconsin Senate convened at 4:30 on Wednesday morning and passed by one vote a package of bills devised to curb the powers of the incoming Democratic leaders.”

 

And Wisconsin is not alone. As the The Washington Post reported Monday:

 

“In Michigan, where Democrats last month won the governor’s mansion as well as the races for attorney general and secretary of state, Republican lawmakers last week introduced measures that would water down the authority of those positions on campaign finance oversight and other legal matters.”

 

Republican anti-democratic tendencies aren’t limited to the transfer of power.

They extend to areas like the widespread efforts to enact voter suppression, from voter ID laws to voter roll purges to shortening early-voting windows to gerrymandering.

 

Republican power is increasingly synonymous with white power. The party’s nationalist tendencies are increasingly synonymous with white nationalism.

 

This group will not willingly cede its power just because demographics predict its downfall and current circumstances demonstrate its weaknesses. ...

 

 





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  #2141252 7-Dec-2018 17:52
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The Washington Post - What happens when losers of elections won’t relinquish power?

 

Wisconsin Republicans are damaging the rule of law, even if their actions may be technically ‘legal.’

 

By Ari Melber
Ari Melber, an attorney, is MSNBC's chief legal correspondent

 


Our nation is reeling from sustained, public attacks on the rule of law. Voters are openly encouraged to question the legitimacy of elections.

 

And a prerequisite for any democracy - the peaceful transfer of power - is in doubt.

 

These problems are hitting a fever pitch in the United States, and not because of President Trump.

 

The culprits are Republican politicians in Wisconsin, where the GOP just lost races for governor and attorney general.

 

Republican lawmakers reacted to their defeat by pushing unusual laws to dilute the authority of the offices their party lost.

 

The effort is brazen: use the dwindling powers of a lame-duck legislative session to sabotage the people taking over.

 

This is not normal. It is not part of a “cycle of partisan warfare.”

 

It is not “another round” of political payback that pundits can debate through the narrow lens of clever strategy.

 

It is antithetical to democracy.

 

We are witnessing a blatant ploy to undercut a core premise of our constitutional democracy - that the people (and party) leaving office have an obligation to transfer their powers peacefully and professionally. Period.

 

More Wisconsin voters backed Democrats [than Republicans] in their state assembly races last month, but Republicans were still able to “win” control of 64 percent of the district seats.

 





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