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#2164136 20-Jan-2019 12:37

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tdgeek: I'll put this out there, something that has pondered my thoughts for a while, its complicated. A group of nations, NZ included, 20 or so first world nations, need to step up. And say you are crap, or words to that effect. To say you are crap, your country isnt, but you are. To date, he has had a free ride, everyone is silent, that needs to change.

On the other hand you are talking about the president of the United States an office able and now likely to destroy trade treaties and other agreements.

Yes, and the global powers sit there and watch. While its clearly correct for us all to criticise him, other countries who also populate this world aren't doing anything. About the most Ive heard are that a country does not support nationalism, yet they don't mention the US.

Trump can and does destroy trade treaties. Thats a two edged sword. China is now sourcing most of its soy from Brazil, so while the US-China trade with soy is being destroyed, it has been replaced by another trade deal between two friendly countries that want to cooperate and get ahead. More of that please

What do you suggest this 20 country statement or action should say or do exactly?

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tdgeek: I'll put this out there, something that has pondered my thoughts for a while, its complicated. A group of nations, NZ included, 20 or so first world nations, need to step up. And say you are crap, or words to that effect. To say you are crap, your country isnt, but you are. To date, he has had a free ride, everyone is silent, that needs to change.

A little naive, methinks. Think this through: You're an average guy leading an average life in a slightly above average country (I'm assuming all this, of course) Life isn't too bad.

Okay, you're outraged at the attention-seeking behavior and despicable antics of Trump, but beyond being offended, do you really care enough to do something about it?

Like, organize a movement, rallies, lead marches in protest against the worst American President in history?

I think not.

So, assuming you are average, and, like the rest of the average world, you have an average dislike of doing anything outside your comfort zone, you can safely assume that no other countries will ever come to the 'Oust Trump' party. Hell, even the people who live in America can't overcome their ennui to the point that they'll act. Most of the Yanks who claim they hate him can't even be bothered to vote the guy out.

So, just keep carrying on like we all do here - ranting, raving and joking about a guy who, unfortunately (see above), will never know how much we despise him. Sad!

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#2164231 20-Jan-2019 15:03

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tdgeek: I'll put this out there, something that has pondered my thoughts for a while, its complicated. A group of nations, NZ included, 20 or so first world nations, need to step up. And say you are crap, or words to that effect. To say you are crap, your country isnt, but you are. To date, he has had a free ride, everyone is silent, that needs to change.

A little naive, methinks. Think this through: You're an average guy leading an average life in a slightly above average country (I'm assuming all this, of course) Life isn't too bad.

Okay, you're outraged at the attention-seeking behavior and despicable antics of Trump, but beyond being offended, do you really care enough to do something about it?

Like, organize a movement, rallies, lead marches in protest against the worst American President in history?

I think not.

So, assuming you are average, and, like the rest of the average world, you have an average dislike of doing anything outside your comfort zone, you can safely assume that no other countries will ever come to the 'Oust Trump' party. Hell, even the people who live in America can't overcome their ennui to the point that they'll act. Most of the Yanks who claim they hate him can't even be bothered to vote the guy out.

So, just keep carrying on like we all do here - ranting, raving and joking about a guy who, unfortunately (see above), will never know how much we despise him. Sad!

I dont think you read my post. Bolded for you

Nations need to step up and instead of being meek and too scared to upset Mr America, they collectively need to call him out, and state one after the other the non acceptable practices he continues to make. Take trade, the nations need to tell him they seek globalisation not nationalism, and he is free to exit any trade agreement he wishes as his policies are not acceptable. Trump is isolating the US, so lets all nations help him along. Remember, what he is doing is not acceptable, will the other nations who occupy Earth stay meek, or will thy stand up to him? So far its 100% meek, and thus can accept some blame. Remember also he is one person, the other 300 million won't want weekly examples of the global community removing the US from a or the top role in world governance. Those 300 million will turn on him.

Whoever he has done or is doing, all other nations are just watching. That is hardly globalisation is it?

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#2164296 20-Jan-2019 15:47

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I asked you to think it through. You obviously didn't.

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#2164302 20-Jan-2019 15:59

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I asked you to think it through. You obviously didn't.

Incorrect. I have advised you why your response did not even relate to my post, you clearly ignored that. You can cannot explain what I need to think through and why. If you feel the global community (nations) should be very wary of upsetting the US just say so.

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#2164315 20-Jan-2019 16:23

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Rikkitic:

Trump appears to be trying to offer a 'compromise' to the Democrats.
It is a characteristically mean-spirited one, and not one the Democrats will accept, but it seems to indicate that he is starting to crack. ...

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I have discussed this with my sister, who lives in America. She is apolitical and has only just started to become minimally interested because of my letters. According to her, most people (on the west coast, at least) are thoroughly fed up with everything Trump and just wish he would go away so they don't have to keep seeing him in the media. She is convinced he would massively lose any election held there today.

At the same time, she points out that Washington politics don't seem to have any noticeable affect on the day to day lives of people so no-one really cares what happens there, except they just wish there wasn't so much Trump on the media. Mainly, they just want to carry on with their day to day lives and they don't really see how the politics affect that. Of course you can come with all kinds of economic arguments and how things will go to hell further down the line, but most people don't see or care about that. They are only concerned with how it impinges on their lives today, and for most it doesn't seem to. Unless, of course, you are a government employee, but that is a minority.

As far as other countries go, I think it is extremely unlikely that any of them would try to tell Trump to pull his socks up. Trump is an ignorant vulgarian, so he waves his arms around breaking things, but overseas leaders, at least those of countries with a liberal democratic tradition, and even many without, understand and try to live by the accepted rules and conventions of international diplomacy. It just isn't done to try to tell off the leader of any country, but especially an important one. That isn't how these things work. Apart from that, while Trump has turned his presidency into a joke and made the USA a laughing stock, it is still a very important power in the world with a very important role in many international organisations. Whatever you may think of the current administration privately, you need to tread carefully if you want to avoid big problems further down the track. No-one is going to slap Trump in the face.

One of my favourite stories is about a formidable but revered Dutch Queen of many years ago. According to the story, she was hosting an important, but uncultured foreign dignitary, possibly not a lot unlike Donald Trump. I think he was either a German princeling or diplomat, or possibly a Russian. In any case he was not well-versed in the niceties of etiquette.

The assembled company sat down to dinner at a formal banquet. Suddenly the honoured guest grabbed his finger bowl and took a deep swig from it. There was a collective gasp from the other guests. Without missing a beat, the Queen immediately picked up her finger bowl and drank from that, upon which every other person at the table did the same. In this way she smoothly spared her guest the embarrassment of his uncouth faux pas.

Now that is what I call breeding, something Trump will never understand.

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#2164325 20-Jan-2019 16:48

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Rikkitic:
I have discussed this with my sister, who lives in America. She is apolitical and has only just started to become minimally interested because of my letters. According to her, most people (on the west coast, at least) are thoroughly fed up with everything Trump and just wish he would go away so they don't have to keep seeing him in the media. She is convinced he would massively lose any election held there today.

At the same time, she points out that Washington politics don't seem to have any noticeable affect on the day to day lives of people so no-one really cares what happens there, except they just wish there wasn't so much Trump on the media. Mainly, they just want to carry on with their day to day lives and they don't really see how the politics affect that. Of course you can come with all kinds of economic arguments and how things will go to hell further down the line, but most people don't see or care about that. They are only concerned with how it impinges on their lives today, and for most it doesn't seem to. Unless, of course, you are a government employee, but that is a minority.

As far as other countries go, I think it is extremely unlikely that any of them would try to tell Trump to pull his socks up. Trump is an ignorant vulgarian, so he waves his arms around breaking things, but overseas leaders, at least those of countries with a liberal democratic tradition, and even many without, understand and try to live by the accepted rules and conventions of international diplomacy. It just isn't done to try to tell off the leader of any country, but especially an important one. That isn't how these things work. Apart from that, while Trump has turned his presidency into a joke and made the USA a laughing stock, it is still a very important power in the world with a very important role in many international organisations. Whatever you may think of the current administration privately, you need to tread carefully if you want to avoid big problems further down the track. No-one is going to slap Trump in the face.

One of my favourite stories is about a formidable but revered Dutch Queen of many years ago. According to the story, she was hosting an important, but uncultured foreign dignitary, possibly not a lot unlike Donald Trump. I think he was either a German princeling or diplomat, or possibly a Russian. In any case he was not well-versed in the niceties of etiquette.

The assembled company sat down to dinner at a formal banquet. Suddenly the honoured guest grabbed his finger bowl and took a deep swig from it. There was a collective gasp from the other guests. Without missing a beat, the Queen immediately picked up her finger bowl and drank from that, upon which every other person at the table did the same. In this way she smoothly spared her guest the embarrassment of his uncouth faux pas.

Now that is what I call breeding, something Trump will never understand.

Nice post and yes I fully get that.

My take is a global backlash from the global community. Not name calling but stating that we do not and will never t accept your I’ll founded policies and so on. And all trade agreements will now sit under a new global umbrella except those with the US. The US can manage it’s own. And if said countries wish to pursue the US as the low priority partner then so be it. The US soy farmers will understand that.

While the US is a large economy it is as vulnerable as any, it cannot afford to lose exports such as soy and it cannot afford to import more. Mexico stated early it will seek other partners.

It’s not about name calling Its about reducing involvement with the the US where ever possible. Trumpism isn’t four decades old. If the globe stepped up, that ensures a satisfactory 2020 election outcome. Their citizens are extremely patriotic and the globe turning their back will matter.

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#2164458 20-Jan-2019 21:41

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Trump has created these situations, where white kids wearing MAGA hats chant "Build that wall" referring to Native Americans in tribal lands. What a punchable face - but if you punch this idiot you are the one that probably ends in trouble.

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The Guardian - Nancy Pelosi hands Donald Trump a lesson in the art of politics

20 Jan 2019

The House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, has emerged as Trump's nemesis, the face of opposition to the president.

As a partial government shutdown enters a record fifth week, the Democrat has been implacable in denying him $5.7bn to help build a border wall.

This week she out-Trumped Trump, by effectively rescinding his invitation to deliver the State of the Union address.

Then, on Saturday, she released a sharply worded statement rejecting Trump's proposed deal to end the closure – shortly before the president announced it from the Diplomatic Room of the White House.

“She’s not only outmanoeuvring him, she’s outraging him,” said Michael Cornfield, associate professor of political management at George Washington University in Washington.

“She’s taunting him. She’s the matador, he’s the bull. He has no idea what he’s doing. He’s a genius of the publicity arts, not the political arts. In this he’s an absolute novice.” ...

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What a punchable face - but if you punch this idiot you are the one that probably ends in trouble.

It must be difficult to remain professional in the Secret Service personal protection detail these days. Would I take a bullet for Jacinda? Obama? Maaaaaaybe. Probably, I guess; that's the job, after all.

Would I take a bullet for Donald Trump? What about an egg?

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Donald Trump Jr. tweeted on Friday comparing the Mexicans to animals.

"You know why you can enjoy a day at the zoo? Because walls work"

It was removed it from his account shortly afterwards.

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Two days after Trump mocks Warren as Pocahontas as usual and refers to a Native American massacre site in the same tweet - MAGA hat wearing teenagers attending an anti abortion rally meet a man at the tail end of a native American rally and one blocks his path and prevents him leaving:

The native American Vietnam vet talks to CNN about the experience:

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I'm sure everyone knows that the Native American drummer and MAGA-hat-wearing teens event happened during an annual March for Life rally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/01/17/abortion-issue-is-more-polarized-than-ever-leading-some-view-march-life-republican-rally/?utm_term=.8a3d8225496a

The abortion issue is more polarized than ever, leading some to view March for Life as a Republican rally

The newest class in Congress heralds a redrawing of the battle lines in the ever-contentious fight over abortion. Not so long ago, many moderate members of Congress broke from their parties over this deeply felt issue. Now, Republicans who support abortion rights are “nearly extinct.” Democrats who oppose abortion are a “dying breed.”

At the March for Life, the largest annual antiabortion event, which will take place Friday on the Mall, the increasing polarization of the antiabortion movement as an almost solely Republican issue will be in stark relief.

Leaders of the march enthusiastically welcome support from President Trump and from Vice President Pence — while insisting they want to maintain a bipartisan standpoint and a diverse crowd of attendees.

Pence spoke to marchers just days after his inauguration in 2017, and Trump addressed the march by video feed in 2018 in an address that touched on numerous Republican policy priorities, not just abortion. This year, Pence will speak at several events associated with the march, including a post-march dinner.

The march, which draws thousands of people annually, many of them youthful participants bused in from Catholic and other religious schools across the country, will also feature Democrats this year. Rep. Daniel Lipinski of Illinois, one of the only antiabortion Democrats left in the House of Representatives, will speak at the 11 a.m. rally on the Mall, along with a Democratic state legislator from Louisiana.

But some liberal-leaning antiabortion activists criticize the March for Life for alienating Democrats by embracing polarizing figures, from the president and vice president to this year’s featured speaker, Ben Shapiro, a popular conservative commentator.

“Look, when you’re streaming in video from Donald Trump and lifting up Ben Shapiro as your keynote, it doesn’t necessarily suggest that you’re too focused on broadening the tent,” said Michael Wear, a political strategist who worked for Barack Obama on outreach to religious voters and who advocates that Democrats be more open to religious views, including opposition to abortion. “Democrats generally feel marginalized at the March for Life. . . . Partisanship is trumping quite a bit these days, especially given the pretty firm stake that the establishment pro-life movement has placed in the presidency of Donald Trump.”

Wear said the March for Life could take a different tack. He pointed to the Catholic Church as an example of an institution that has never wavered from its antiabortion advocacy but has also kept at arm’s length from the Trump administration, frequently criticizing the president on other issues. Instead of Shapiro, he said, the March for Life could have invited a cardinal to speak — or an athlete or actor, all of whom the march has highlighted in the past.

He said he does not attend the March for Life. But he will speak on a panel at Evangelicals for Life, a conference that precedes the event and whose attendees typically march.

Jeanne Mancini, the president of the March for Life, said the march strives for balance, but the political climate doesn’t offer much. “We’re a bipartisan organization. And sadly, it’s gotten much, much more difficult to get Democrats to speak at the March for Life or just to be involved in the pro-life movement”

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Ben Shapiro, featured speaker, March for Life rally

"If you pay tuition, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. If you pay taxes, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. If your child majors in English, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. Tell Billy to major in math."

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#2164577 21-Jan-2019 10:00

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Americans have over-fed on free speech. Which is why they're so fat.

EDIT: Maybe that was a bit harsh. Fat between the ears, perhaps.

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