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  # 2171294 1-Feb-2019 14:08
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I only pop in to look at the cartoons.




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  # 2171307 1-Feb-2019 14:55
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Most of the committed right-wingers have been banned. They were the ones most likely to have good things to say about Trump. Perhaps others lurk in the shadows, and are afraid to say what they think.

 

A friend of mine initially approved of Trump and voiced the usual sentiments, like he doesn't play pc games and says it like it is. He has since changed his mind, especially after the shut-down, and finds it impossible to comprehend how anyone could have done that to all the government employees. He likes some of what Trump says, but now accepts that Trump is a mentally disturbed pathological liar and doesn't mean any of it.

 

Those of us here, and I include myself, who have little patience with pro-Trump views, also tend to be impatient with those who try to express them. I think @Freitasm is right to ban those who express approval for racist or fascist ideas, but there do exist people who don't support that nonsense, yet do genuinely believe that Trump is on the right path. I think such people deserve to be heard out with respect and not just shouted down, but it is difficult sometimes to separate genuinely mistaken ideas from unpalatable ones.

 

What I do know is you don't change anyone's mind by telling them they are ignorant dummies. And probably those of us who despise Trump may not be right about everything, and maybe we also need to be more open to changing our minds on some issues. It is easy to keep having laughs at Trump's apparent stupidity, ignorance and arrogance, but some of thing things he professes ring true to some people, so maybe we should at least listen calmly and give them due consideration.

 

There are so many things it is hard to pick one, so I will just use the wall to illustrate. This should not be a left/right thing but Trump has made it so. Most of us who are identified with the left strongly feel that the wall is a silly waste of money, that there are far better and more cost-effective ways to combat illegal immigrants and drugs and weapons. The argument seems so obvious to us that we dismiss anyone who thinks otherwise as unintelligent and uneducated. Some probably are, but that doesn't mean they should not be entitled to have a voice. That is exactly the kind of superior thinking that Trump has so successfully zeroed in on. 

 

So instead try to understand the fears and concerns of those who do support the wall. Maybe their old technology jobs are threatened, or they don't have any jobs at all. Maybe they or people they are close to have been attacked by thugs who resembled whatever illegal immigrants are thought to look like. Maybe they have been devastated by the drug epidemic. The kind of people who seem to make up most of Trump's support probably also tend to live in places where these kinds of problems are worst. They may not have the option to live elsewhere. The liberal establishment namby-pambies who Trump targets don't live in such places and they don't have those kinds of issues. It is easy to be dismissive of such things when they are not on your own doorstep. I think this is the mistake Democrats made, and I think Trump successfully exploited it.

 

So people without a lot of understanding of technology see a big, solid wall and it gives them a sense of security. It can be seen and felt and tasted. It is a symbol as much as anything. And now that it has also become a symbol of the battle between one side and the other, anyone who identifies with one of those sides is going to have a very, very hard time letting the other one claim victory. Imagine how you would feel if Pelosi gave up and told Trump he could have his wall, no other conditions attached. Imagine how he would race around in circles crowing victory. That is probably exactly how his supporters will feel if he is defeated. That is what makes it so hard to find a middle way. But like it or not, his supporters still make up about a third of the country, and telling them they are immoral idiots is not going to move things forward. They have a voice and they need to be listened to.

 

 

 

 





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  # 2171332 1-Feb-2019 15:53
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I dont see Trump as right wing, although obviously he is. Or the wall as a right wing issue. Nothing wrong with left wing, right wing, centrist. People here who vote National or Labour are voting as they have a view on what's best. The vast majority of our pollticians are capable and want to do NZ well. 

 

But alt-right is a cult. Its not a political movement, its a cult. 


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  # 2171339 1-Feb-2019 16:13
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You are correct but alt-right is only a small part of Trump supporters (and many think he is too wimpy). Most are ordinary people who feel left out and left behind and they think Trump speaks for them.

 

 

 

 





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  # 2171344 1-Feb-2019 16:34
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tdgeek:

 

... But alt-right is a cult. Its not a political movement, its a cult. 

 

 

Agreed.  undecided

Trump is neither "right-wing" nor "left-wing".
Trump is not a Democrat or a Republican (although he has pretended to be both at different times).
He is a totally self-absorbed narcissist who represents nobody but himself.
His sole reason for existence is to enrich and glorify Donald Trump.

 

The only good news is that Trump is totally incompetent as POTUS - and the electorate is starting to notice.

Hopefully he will self-destruct before he destroys his country - or our country.

 

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  # 2171348 1-Feb-2019 16:39
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The cartoons just get better and better. I'm sure that no other president has ever been treated (justifiably) with this much disdain. 

 

 





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  # 2171355 1-Feb-2019 17:28
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Damn shame baby Trump's three-tined fork doesn't fit the two-pin sockets.

 

 





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  # 2171356 1-Feb-2019 17:30
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Dingbatt: I only pop in to look at the cartoons.

 

They're cartoons?





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  # 2171695 2-Feb-2019 09:44
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Interesting...

 

ANALYSIS OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS IDENTIFIED 5 KEY TRAITS

 

The lightning-fast ascent and political invincibility of Donald Trump has left many experts baffled and wondering, “How did we get here?” Any accurate and sufficient answer to that question must not only focus on Trump himself, but also on his uniquely loyal supporters. Given their extreme devotion and unwavering admiration for their highly unpredictable and often inflammatory leader, some have turned to the field of psychology for scientific explanations based on precise quantitative data and established theoretical frameworks.

 

Although analyses and studies by psychologists and neuroscientists have provided many thought-provoking explanations for his enduring support, the accounts of different experts often vary greatly, sometimes overlapping and other times conflicting. However insightful these critiques may be, it is apparent that more research and examination is needed to hone in on the exact psychological and social factors underlying this peculiar human behavior.

 

In a recent review paper published in the Journal of Social and Political Psychology, Psychologist and UC Santa Cruz professor Thomas Pettigrew argues that five major psychological phenomena can help explain this exceptional political event.

 

1. AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY SYNDROME

 

Authoritarianism refers to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others. Authoritarian personality syndrome—a well-studied and globally-prevalent condition—is a state of mind that is characterized by belief in total and complete obedience to one’s authority. Those with the syndrome often display aggression toward out-group members, submissiveness to authority, resistance to new experiences, and a rigid hierarchical view of society. The syndrome is often triggered by fear, making it easy for leaders who exaggerate threat or fear monger to gain their allegiance.

 

Although authoritarian personality is found among liberals, it is more common among the right-wing around the world. President Trump’s speeches, which are laced with absolutist terms like “losers” and “complete disasters,” are naturally appealing to those with the syndrome.

 

While research showed that Republican voters in the U.S. scored higher than Democrats on measures of authoritarianism before Trump emerged on the political scene, a 2016 Politico survey found that high authoritarians greatly favored then-candidate Trump, which led to a correct prediction that he would win the election, despite the polls saying otherwise.

 

2.  SOCIAL DOMINANCE ORIENTATION

 

Social dominance orientation (SDO)—which is distinct but related to authoritarian personality syndrome—refers to people who have a preference for the societal hierarchy of groups, specifically with a structure in which the high-status groups have dominance over the low-status ones. Those with SDO are typically dominant, tough-minded, and driven by self-interest.

 

In Trump’s speeches, he appeals to those with SDO by repeatedly making a clear distinction between groups that have a generally higher status in society (White), and those groups that are typically thought of as belonging to a lower status (immigrants and minorities).

 

A 2016 survey study of 406 American adults published this year in the journal Personality and Individual Differences found that those who scored high on both SDO and authoritarianism were those who intended to vote for Trump in the election.

 

3.  PREJUDICE

 

It would be grossly unfair and inaccurate to say that every one of Trump’s supporters have prejudice against ethnic and religious minorities, but it would be equally inaccurate to say that many do not. It is a well-known fact that the Republican party, going at least as far back to Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy,” used strategies that appealed to bigotry, such as lacing speeches with “dog whistles”—code words that signalled prejudice toward minorities that were designed to be heard by racists but no one else.

 

While the dog whistles of the past were more subtle, Trump’s are sometimes shockingly direct. There’s no denying that he routinely appeals to bigoted supporters when he calls Muslims “dangerous” and Mexican immigrants “rapists” and “murderers,” often in a blanketed fashion. Perhaps unsurprisingly, a new study has shown that support for Trump is correlated with a standard scale of modern racism.

 

4.  INTERGROUP CONTACT

 

Intergroup contact refers to contact with members of groups that are outside one’s own, which has been experimentally shown to reduce prejudice. As such, it’s important to note that there is growing evidence that Trump’s white supporters have experienced significantly less contact with minorities than other Americans. For example, a 2016 study found that “…the racial and ethnic isolation of Whites at the zip-code level is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support.” This correlation persisted while controlling for dozens of other variables. In agreement with this finding, the same researchers found that support for Trump increased with the voters’ physical distance from the Mexican border.

 

5.  RELATIVE DEPRIVATION

 

Relative deprivation refers to the experience of being deprived of something to which one believes they are entitled. It is the discontent felt when one compares their position in life to others who they feel are equal or inferior but have unfairly had more success than them.

 

Common explanations for Trump’s popularity among non-bigoted voters involve economics. There is no doubt that some Trump supporters are simply angry that American jobs are being lost to Mexico and China, which is certainly understandable, although these loyalists often ignore the fact that some of these careers are actually being lost due to the accelerating pace of automation.

 

These Trump supporters are experiencing relative deprivation, and are common among the swing states like Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. This kind of deprivation is specifically referred to as “relative,” as opposed to “absolute,” because the feeling is often based on a skewed perception of what one is entitled to. For example, an analysis conducted by FiveThirtyEight estimated that the median annual income of Trump supporters was $72,000.

 

If such data is accurate, the portrayal of most Trump supporters as “working class” citizens rebelling against Republican elites may be more myth than fact.

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits





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  # 2171703 2-Feb-2019 10:09
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Rikkitic:

 

The truth is finally revealed: God is on their side.

 

 





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ERIS, GREEK GODDESS OF CHAOS, CONFIRMS THAT SHE WANTED TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT

 

 

MT. OLYMPUS (The Borowitz Report)—Partially confirming Sarah Huckabee Sanders’s theory of divine intervention in the 2016 election, Eris, the Greek goddess of chaos, discord, and strife, revealed on Friday that she had wanted Donald J. Trump to be President.

 

Speaking from her temple on Mt. Olympus, the usually reclusive deity said that Trump was “far and away” her first choice to be President in 2016.

 

“I’d been following his career for years,” the goddess of disorder and ruin said. “The bankruptcies, the business failures. There was a lot for me to love.”

 

She complained that the media had given Vladimir Putin “way too much credit” for Trump’s ascent, asserting, “Who do you think made Putin President of Russia?”

 

Looking ahead to the 2020 election, Eris said that she was officially undecided about which candidate to back for President, but that she was leaning toward Howard Schultz. “What a s**t show that would be,” she said.

 





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Rikkitic: The truth is finally revealed: God is on their side.




Small Jackson wrote: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Invoking God is more dangerous.

This delusion is common in the US

https://www.prri.org/press-release/news-release-jan-2014-sports-poll/

"...The January PRRI Religion and Politics Tracking Survey, conducted by Public Religion Research Institute, finds that one-quarter (25 percent) of sports fans in the United States believe their team has been cursed at some point, while more than one-quarter (26 percent) say they have prayed to God to help their team and 19 percent say God plays a role in determining who wins and who loses. Half of American sports fans connect the supernatural to sports by embracing at least one of these beliefs or practices.

...Significant numbers of American sports fans believe in invoking assistance from God on behalf of their favorite team, or believe the divine may be playing out its own purpose in the game..."


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The Washington Post - McConnell privately cautions Trump about emergency declaration on border wall

 

February 1 at 7:11 PM

 


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell cautioned President Trump privately this week about the consequences of declaring a national emergency to build his border wall, telling him the move could trigger political blowback and divide the GOP, according to two Republicans with knowledge of the exchange.

 

McConnell (R-Ky.) told Trump that Congress might end up passing a resolution disapproving the emergency declaration, which would force the president to contemplate issuing his first veto ever, in the face of opposition from his own party.

 

McConnell delivered the message during a face-to-face meeting with the president Tuesday at the White House.

 

The two men met alone and conversed with no aides present. Their meeting was not publicly announced.

 

The majority leader’s comments to the president came amid rising GOP concerns over the fallout if Trump were to declare a national emergency that would allow him to circumvent Congress and use the military to build new stretches of wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

Trump increasingly appears prepared to take that route, saying Friday that “I think there’s a good chance we’ll have to do that.” ...

 





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