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#2177561 13-Feb-2019 12:05

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The Washington Post - Irrelevant and incoherent Trump is upstaged in El Paso (extracts)

February 12 at 9:45 AM

President Trump went to El Paso, which he falsely said had been rampant with crime before border construction, to whip up his base in favor of a wall.

Before he could take the stage, however, congressional negotiators reached a tentative deal to reopen the border - with 55 miles of bollard fencing, but no wall.

Meanwhile, at a nearby location, Beto O’Rourke gathered a crowd of thousands to celebrate American values.

Trump, in short, was essentially irrelevant, as he increasingly is. (Only his cheerleaders at Fox News bothered to cover him live in entirety.) ...

Trump is left with his cultlike followers, vague threats to “finish” the wall regardless of Congress, his mindless chants and his sycophantic right-wing media.

As for the rest of the country, most Americans have little reason to pay attention to his rants.

He’s not setting policy nor saying anything new. In fact, he has become a bit of a bore.

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#2177751 13-Feb-2019 16:25

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State.com - Trump’s Followers Believe His Lies About the Wall (extracts)

12 Feb 2019

Trump’s message was a recipe for incurable ignorance:

Reject all contrary evidence as biased.
Reject anyone who reports that evidence.
Rely on your leader’s anecdotes.
Trust the uninformed consensus of your friends.
Respond automatically.
And ignore anyone who says you’re a sucker.
You’re not being credulous - you’re being vigilant against the fakers.
You’re “the smart ones.”

This is insanity. But among Trump supporters, it’s the norm. ...

So when Trump told the folks at that rally in El Paso to trust him over all contrary evidence - law enforcement data, the local Republican mayor, fact checks by Fox News - he wasn’t brainwashing them.

He was telling them what they already believed.

Trumpism isn’t about a border wall, any more than it’s about patriotism or conservatism.

It’s about unshakeable faith in one man. A liar.

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#2177831 13-Feb-2019 18:00

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TRUMP ACCUSES CLINTON OF DELIBERATELY LOSING ELECTION SO HE COULD BE IMPEACHED

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) In what might be his most startling allegation against his former election opponent, Donald Trump on Wednesday accused Hillary Clinton of deliberately losing the 2016 election just so that he could be impeached.

“How could one of the most experienced politicians in history lose to the most unfit candidate ever?” Trump asked reporters. “Crooked Hillary lost on purpose because she wanted me to be impeached.”

Explaining Clinton’s motives for intentionally sabotaging her quest for an office she had coveted for decades, Trump said, “Hillary Clinton is more than a nasty woman. She is an evil woman, and her sick mind is capable of anything.”

Trump said that instead of reporting the “fake story” of his campaign’s collusion with the Russians, the media should focus on Clinton’s “diabolical scheme to lose the election.”

“I don’t know if Hillary Clinton lost the election on her own,” Trump said. “Maybe she asked the Russians to help her lose. But the fact is, Hillary Clinton deliberately plotted to put me in the White House, and the American people should be very angry about that.”

'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

'A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.' Edward Abbey

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Morowits Report: Today Trump announced that he was going to stop being a nice guy. “Nise gays finnish lathcovfefe”, he tweeted, explaining that America can’t be first if it is run by nice people. “Nice people don’t build walls”, he added. ”I have a big wall around Mar-a-Lago. It is a beautiful wall. Mexicans built it. Without my wall, nice people might get in. Or we might get out. We have wonderful walls in this country. Walls at Leavenworth and Folsom and San Quentin. American walls. Concrete walls. I love those walls. We make the best walls. Well, Mexicans make them but we pay for them. Or was that the other way around? It doesn’t matter. I can’t wait to be inside them."

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#2178332 14-Feb-2019 16:45

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The Washington Post - Federal judge finds Paul Manafort lied to Mueller probe about contacts with Russian aide

February 13 at 8:57 PM

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort lied to prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III about matters close to the heart of their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

The judge’s finding that Manafort, 69, breached his cooperation deal with prosecutors by lying after his guilty plea could add years to his prison sentence and came after a set of sealed court hearings.

Manafort’s lies, the judge found, included “his interactions and communications with [Konstantin] Kilimnik,” a longtime aide whom the FBI assessed to have ties to Russian intelligence.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the District said Manafort also lied to the special counsel, the FBI and the grand jury about a payment from a company to a law firm - which he previously characterized as a loan repayment - and made false statements that were material to another Justice Department investigation whose focus has not been described in public filings in Manafort’s case.

Manafort’s actions mean Mueller’s office “is no longer bound” by the plea agreement including prosecutors’ promise to support a possible sentencing reduction for Manafort accepting responsibility for his crimes.

Jackson said she would factor in his deception at sentencing March 13 and will make public her reasoning about her findings ...

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#2178409 14-Feb-2019 17:59

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The Washington Post - Federal judge finds Paul Manafort lied to Mueller probe about contacts with Russian aide

February 13 at 8:57 PM

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort lied to prosecutors with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III about matters close to the heart of their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.

The judge’s finding that Manafort, 69, breached his cooperation deal with prosecutors by lying after his guilty plea could add years to his prison sentence and came after a set of sealed court hearings.

Manafort’s lies, the judge found, included “his interactions and communications with [Konstantin] Kilimnik,” a longtime aide whom the FBI assessed to have ties to Russian intelligence.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson of the District said Manafort also lied to the special counsel, the FBI and the grand jury about a payment from a company to a law firm - which he previously characterized as a loan repayment - and made false statements that were material to another Justice Department investigation whose focus has not been described in public filings in Manafort’s case.

Manafort’s actions mean Mueller’s office “is no longer bound” by the plea agreement including prosecutors’ promise to support a possible sentencing reduction for Manafort accepting responsibility for his crimes.

Jackson said she would factor in his deception at sentencing March 13 and will make public her reasoning about her findings ...

He met with Kilimnik and Gates, Gates has "flipped", and now a judge has confirmed that Manafort has lied.
When Manafort was Trump's campaign chairman, he met with Kilimnik, gave him campaign polling data, and discussed a Ukrainian "peace plan". This was revealed by an error redacting (IIRC PDF) documents filed in court by Manafort's lawyers. Oops - they blacked over the text but didn't delete it.

Kilimnik was a "former" Russian spy.

And yet we keep hearing from team Trump that there was "no collusion".

The downside to this (which in normal times would be enough to sink the President) is that Manafort has nothing to lose by continuing to lie in order to distance the POTUS - and will be hoping for a pardon. We'll have to wait and see what the world's greatest bullsh1t artist and conman is going to do.

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#2178418 14-Feb-2019 18:24

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"Lock her up" alright...

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#2178583 14-Feb-2019 21:22

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Who brought up all these despicable individuals? They just don't have any moral compass.

They're also stupid thinking they would not be found out in their lies, especially knowing others had flipped.

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#2178646 15-Feb-2019 08:15

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Looks like Trump will sign off the funding deal to avoid a shutdown, 1.375 Million for the wall, he will play it off a s down payment. he turned down 1.6 in December. I'm unsure of the official makeup of the 1.375 I thought that was general border security stuff, including at the wall, but NOT new wall?

Fart of the Deal, a good read......

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#2178657 15-Feb-2019 08:43

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The New York Times - McCabe Says Justice Dept. Officials Had Discussions About Pushing Trump Out

Feb. 14, 2019

WASHINGTON — Andrew G. McCabe, the former deputy F.B.I. director, said in an interview aired on Thursday that top Justice Department officials became so alarmed by President Trump’s decision in May 2017 to fire James B. Comey, the bureau’s director, that they discussed whether to recruit cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office.

The dire concerns about the president’s actions also prompted Mr. McCabe to order the bureau’s team investigating Russia’s election interference to look into whether Mr. Trump had obstructed justice by firing Mr. Comey.

The F.B.I. also began examining whether Mr. Trump had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests.

Mr. McCabe’s explosive remarks were made in an interview with “60 Minutes” scheduled to air in full on Sunday.

He was promoting his memoir, “The Threat: How the F.B.I. Protects America in the Age of Terror and Trump,” which will be released next week.

Mr. McCabe said he spoke to Mr. Trump just after Mr. Comey was fired, and the next day he met with the team investigating Russia’s election interference.

“I was very concerned that I was able to put the Russia case on absolutely solid ground, in an indelible fashion,” Mr. McCabe said, “That were I removed quickly, or reassigned or fired, that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace.”

On the eve of his retirement in March 2018, Mr. McCabe was fired by Jeff Sessions, the attorney general at the time, citing lack of candor.

Since his firing, Mr. McCabe had kept a low profile while working on the book, but he is now making his story known to the public and is an irritant to the president.

Mr. Trump appeared to react to the interview, attacking Mr. McCabe via Twitter, calling him a “disgrace to the FBI and a disgrace to our Country.” ...

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#2178660 15-Feb-2019 08:52

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calling him a “disgrace to the FBI and a disgrace to our Country.”

Pot(us) calling the kettle.

Why doesn't he get sued for slander?

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Looks like Trump will sign off the funding deal to avoid a shutdown, 1.375 Million for the wall, he will play it off a s down payment. he turned down 1.6 in December. I'm unsure of the official makeup of the 1.375 I thought that was general border security stuff, including at the wall, but NOT new wall?

Fart of the Deal, a good read......

He is also going to declare an emergency so the Military has to build the wall. I hope the Democrats refuse to sign the new bill as Trump wants it both ways.

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#2180671 15-Feb-2019 10:07

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Another step toward true fascism appears to be underway in the US.

Trump is going to sign the funding bill to avoid another shutdown, thus allocating a small amount to beef up border security, but then he's reportedly going to immediately declare a "national emergency" (in the absence of one) to bypass the constitution / democratic process and secure funding for the wall.

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Looks like Trump will sign off the funding deal to avoid a shutdown, 1.375 Million for the wall, he will play it off a s down payment. he turned down 1.6 in December. I'm unsure of the official makeup of the 1.375 I thought that was general border security stuff, including at the wall, but NOT new wall?

Fart of the Deal, a good read......

He is also going to declare an emergency so the Military has to build the wall. I hope the Democrats refuse to sign the new bill as Trump wants it both ways.

Yes, just saw that. IIRC, it will be taken to court as the definition of emergency is not quite a wall. Plus there are funds in that, that are allocated to some other states still rebuilding after real emergencies, Texas is one I do recall. Its as if he cannot see that all this will make him even more unpopular. S4 of the 25th Amendment, who knows that may come into play if its deemed that the wall is not an emergency and he rips funds of real people who have been affected by real emergency's, that may qualify as not able to fulfill his role.

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