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  Reply # 1648357 10-Oct-2016 09:52
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I hear Mike Hoskins this morning back from his school holiday OE   ignoring the latest trump ramblings  and launching into an  anti Clinton tirade.   I see lots of Republican supporters  dumping trump in the past few days.  I think unless trump  voluntarily quites the election is all over for them..

 

 

 

 

Has someone added "Mike Hosking" to the geekzone thread entitled - 'What is something small that annoys you"?





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  Reply # 1648358 10-Oct-2016 09:53
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I hear Mike Hoskins this morning 

 

 

 

 

Hosking... Ugh. He's almost as bad as Larry Williams.





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  Reply # 1648362 10-Oct-2016 09:57
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Was Hosking offering the Trumpscuse - that commenting about women in the manner we've seen Don do is harmless "locker room banter" between men - oh make that middle-aged professional men, married with children?

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1648367 10-Oct-2016 10:02
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What I don't really get is the outrage over THIS latest thing. I mean his comments were poor, no doubt about it, but no worse than I've heard from all sorts of people (Men and Women actually) over the course of my life. 

 

I am not saying it's not bad, but is it the worst thing he has said or done? Not to my mind. Maybe it's just the easiest thing to jump on the bandwagon over or relate to?

 

Again I am not condoning what he said (Just to be CRYSTAL clear). 

 

Also, I do believe people can change, just because he said/held those views in 95, doesn't mean he doesn't honestly regret or see the errors of his ways now. I am not saying he does, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he STILL said those things, however, it's been 20 years....

 

Example. I used to speed, a lot, when I was young. It took being pulled over at 165kmph on the motorway (2am, good weather, no traffic, clear visibility) for me to "see" what everyone had been talking about. I wouldn't say I'm perfect now, but I definitely see the issue. 

 

 


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Example. I used to speed, a lot, when I was young. It took being pulled over at 165kmph on the motorway (2am, good weather, no traffic, clear visibility) for me to "see" what everyone had been talking about. I wouldn't say I'm perfect now, but I definitely see the issue.

 

Trump was born in 1946 making him 70 years old (which seems way to old), I guess if he was immature at 50 thats ok?

 

 





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Example. I used to speed, a lot, when I was young. It took being pulled over at 165kmph on the motorway (2am, good weather, no traffic, clear visibility) for me to "see" what everyone had been talking about. I wouldn't say I'm perfect now, but I definitely see the issue.

 

Trump was born in 1946 making him 70 years old (which seems way to old), I guess if he was immature at 50 thats ok?

 

 

 

 

No, you are missing what I am saying. I am saying in 20 years I have learned to behave better than I did before (I hope). I think the guys a muppet, but I am making the point that I think if someone has had an otherwise reasonable recent history, dragging up stuff done 20 years ago should be not relevant. 

 

We know this not to be the case in this instance, I think, however, that's not the point I'm making. 

 

I'm hoping that if someday I end up in a position of power, or applying for a position of power, I don't have the mistakes I made 20 years ago brought up. 


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What I don't really get is the outrage over THIS latest thing. I mean his comments were poor, no doubt about it, but no worse than I've heard from all sorts of people (Men and Women actually) over the course of my life. 

 

 

 

 

There is PLENTY of reason for outrage.
Not sure what circles you associate in, but those kind of comments are NOT commonplace from people I know, let alone from anybody aspiring to "leadership".

 

I resent that people supporting Trump are trying to "normalise" what Trump said - by implying that "it's just how men talk" - when from my experience, it's not how men talk at all, it's not acceptable, and it should never be "let go of" and ignored. This wasn't merely some kind of comment about a woman's appearance, but Trump suggesting that being rich and famous allowed him to sexually assault women.  It's not okay.  He's a filthy piece of scum.  EOS.




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  Reply # 1648418 10-Oct-2016 10:58
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Far as I'm concerned, it will be poetic justice if his own words from the past cost him the presidential race.


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  Reply # 1648421 10-Oct-2016 11:01
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Far as I'm concerned, it will be poetic justice if his own words from the past cost him the presidential race.

 

 

 

 

Would you feel this way if he wasn't the putz he is ? Ie if there was a good candidate, that you thought was otherwise suited to run the USA, would you see his/her campaign derailed for something he said 20 years ago, if since then he had been a fairly upstanding human being?


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The comments were made in 2005 - not 1995 - just for the record.

 

So he said them as a "mature" 60 year old. It doesnt appear has learned anything in the last 10 years.

 

I just find it really ironic he would be trying to sling mud about womanising etc when it has been such an ogoing practice in his own life. You dont poke sh!t at people overthings you are guilty of yourself.

 

One might think that he would start trying to address the 'real' issues that affect America, but thats not the way he thinks.

 

 

 

EDIT: forgot to put quote marks around "Mature"!





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Would you feel this way if he wasn't the putz he is ? Ie if there was a good candidate, that you thought was otherwise suited to run the USA, would you see his/her campaign derailed for something he said 20 years ago, if since then he had been a fairly upstanding human being?

 

 

 

 

That depends if it was a momentary lapse of judgement - or in this case with Trump - a window into his soul.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1648482 10-Oct-2016 12:43
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I don't think someone should have to suffer forever for mistakes of the past, especially if they grown and changed. People are entitled to a second chance. The problem here is that the kinds of things Trump said indicate a real contempt for women and that this is not one incident in isolation, but part of a much bigger pattern. Speeding is reckless and can result in people getting hurt, but if it happens because of youthful exuberance and inexperience, and the culprit grows out of it and later sees the error of his ways, it can be forgiven. In Trump's case, he has repeatedly disparaged women for their appearance. He has also behaved contemptuously towards minorities, the disabled, and the Islamic parents of a dead war hero. This seems to be an ingrained aspect of his character. Some things can be forgiven. This cannot. Trump is a donkeyhole, pure and simple. He has not learned from the past. He is a thoroughly repulsive individual. Just because Americans did such a bad job of choosing candidates this time does not mean he should be allowed anywhere near the Presidency.

 

 





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Here is the latest from the gutter, and NZ has a part of it. He was here years ago, did his gaffes, and supported that he would not be eligible for office. 

 

 

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/85155867/trump-ghost-from-the-past-resurfaces-in-new-zealand

 

 


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I don't think someone should have to suffer forever for mistakes of the past, especially if they grown and changed. People are entitled to a second chance. The problem here is that the kinds of things Trump said indicate a real contempt for women and that this is not one incident in isolation, but part of a much bigger pattern. Speeding is reckless and can result in people getting hurt, but if it happens because of youthful exuberance and inexperience, and the culprit grows out of it and later sees the error of his ways, it can be forgiven. In Trump's case, he has repeatedly disparaged women for their appearance. He has also behaved contemptuously towards minorities, the disabled, and the Islamic parents of a dead war hero. This seems to be an ingrained aspect of his character. Some things can be forgiven. This cannot. Trump is a donkeyhole, pure and simple. He has not learned from the past. He is a thoroughly repulsive individual. Just because Americans did such a bad job of choosing candidates this time does not mean he should be allowed anywhere near the Presidency.

 

 

 

 

I agree fully. Go back to the start of this presidential idea. If he had acted semi ok, he could well be riding on a wave of success right now. 


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networkn: No, you are missing what I am saying. I am saying in 20 years I have learned to behave better than I did before (I hope). I think the guys a muppet, but I am making the point that I think if someone has had an otherwise reasonable recent history, dragging up stuff done 20 years ago should be not relevant. 

 

Pretty sure that you are trying to compare "I used to speed but now I don't" with "I used to sexually abuse women but now I don't". There is NO comparison.

 

 

 

I also note that you say you didn't stop speeding till you got caught. That DOES have some bearing. IIRC there is a case pending against Trump at the moment that seems to have been conveniently forgotten by his supporters.

 

 

 

Al this aside, my biggest fear is that he wins in November. There have been people saying how they will want to leave the US if he wins. My worry is for the people who will NEED to leave if he wins since the country will have taken about a 50 year leap backwards to a time where it was not a good place to live for many, many people.






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