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  #2205078 26-Mar-2019 13:08
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  #2205159 26-Mar-2019 15:52
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  #2205166 26-Mar-2019 16:00
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freitasm:

 

And Seth Abramson's book is coming soon: Proof of Conspiracy: How Trump's International Collusion Is Threatening American Democracy.

 

 


For those that may be unaware, that's his second book. His first one, Proof of Collusion, has been available for a while.

 

 

 

And it looks like the White House is in full-on gloat mode.

 


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It's an interesting question. Personally I don't think it would of made a difference. The left hated Trump before the Russia investigation, and they will continue to hate him after. I don't think the investigation changed anyone's minds about anything.

 

 

 

 


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  #2205317 26-Mar-2019 20:52
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In the case, what is the point of your post?

 

 





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  #2205324 26-Mar-2019 21:05
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Rikkitic:

 

In the case, what is the point of your post?

 

 

 



That people don't care about investigations and have their mind made up on someone based on other things.

Comey's investigation into Hillary had no impact on the US 2016 election. In the same manner the Trump investigation would of had no effect on the mid terms.

On this very thread, it appears to me that some people are convinced of collusion, and ignoring Mueller's report. It's not that they don't believe Mueller, but that their hate for Trump is so great that they can't believe anything else. The narrative by the main stream media for 2 years has been collusion, so a lot of people have been convinced into this idea and it's charged by emotion.

We see the same sort of thing happen on the right with crazy conspiracy theories about deep state etc. They end up ignoring the facts and instead follow their emotions.


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  #2205326 26-Mar-2019 21:13
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NZGamingIcon:

 

On this very thread, it appears to me that some people are convinced of collusion, and ignoring Mueller's report. ...

 



 

None of us have seen the Mueller Report yet - only a 4-page summary by a Trump minion.

 

Vox - Robert Mueller and the collapse of American trust

 

Mar 25, 2019   (extract)

 

 

Every piece of information is evaluated less on the merits and more on its provenance.

 

Court rulings are evaluated by whether the deciding judge was appointed by a Republican or a Democrat.

 

Congressional reports are judged by which party controlled the committee that produced them.

 

The reaction to the Barr letter was no exception.

 

Democrats see the attorney general as a hackish Trump loyalist and evaluate the letter through that lens.

 

Republicans see the media as in the tank for the Democrats and thus see the letter as confirmation that they were right to mistrust reporters on the Trump-Russia beat.

 





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  #2205328 26-Mar-2019 21:15
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NZGamingIcon:

 

On this very thread, it appears to me that some people are convinced of collusion, and ignoring Mueller's report. ...

 



 

None of us have seen the Mueller Report yet - only a 4-page summary by a Trump minion.

 

Vox - Robert Mueller and the collapse of American trust

 

Mar 25, 2019

 

 

Every piece of information is evaluated less on the merits and more on its provenance.

 

Court rulings are evaluated by whether the deciding judge was appointed by a Republican or a Democrat.

 

Congressional reports are judged by which party controlled the committee that produced them.

 

The reaction to the Barr letter was no exception.

 

Democrats see the attorney general as a hackish Trump loyalist and evaluate the letter through that lens.

 

Republicans see the media as in the tank for the Democrats and thus see the letter as confirmation that they were right to mistrust reporters on the Trump-Russia beat.

 

 



The part about no collusion was quoted from the Mueller report was it not? Are you saying the AG fabricated quotes?

I trust Mueller and his investigation, people trying to undermine him because of their hatred towards Trump are crazy.


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  #2205330 26-Mar-2019 21:19
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No it was not. I recommend you read the previous two pages and analysis from The Washington Post and the NY Times.

 

No one has seen the report so we only have whatever the AG is saying - and he was nominated by Trump...





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  #2205336 26-Mar-2019 21:21
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The part about no collusion was quoted from the Mueller report was it not? Are you saying the AG fabricated quotes?

I trust Mueller and his investigation, people trying to undermine him because of their hatred towards Trump are crazy.

 

 

I trust Mueller - I don't trust Barr to report him accurately.  It's that simple.   😕





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  #2205347 26-Mar-2019 21:25
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No it was not. I recommend you read the previous two pages and analysis from The Washington Post and the NY Times.

 

No one has seen the report so we only have whatever the AG is saying - and he was nominated by Trump...

 



I've read the 4 page pdf. It seemed pretty conclusive that there was no Russian collusion by Trump or his team. As for obstruction of justice that was up in the air in regards to Mueller, however the AG and Rosenstein determined there wasn't sufficient evidence for that.

We should get the Mueller report soon once legal redactions have been made to it which should put everything to rest.



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  #2205350 26-Mar-2019 21:30
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freitasm:

 

No it was not. I recommend you read the previous two pages and analysis from The Washington Post and the NY Times.

 

No one has seen the report so we only have whatever the AG is saying - and he was nominated by Trump...

 



I've read the 4 page pdf. It seemed pretty conclusive that there was no Russian collusion by Trump or his team. As for obstruction of justice that was up in the air in regards to Mueller, however the AG and Rosenstein determined there wasn't sufficient evidence for that.

We should get the Mueller report soon once legal redactions have been made to it which should put everything to rest.

 

 

That PDF is a letter from the AG with his summary. There's a lot of weasel words there and things that look like something but actually mean something else entirely. I recommend reading those sources I mentioned to see how some of the words could have been twisted.





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  #2205351 26-Mar-2019 21:32
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Read this previous post. It is not up to the AG to determine that - it's up to the Congress now.





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freitasm:

 

NZGamingIcon:

 

freitasm:

 

No it was not. I recommend you read the previous two pages and analysis from The Washington Post and the NY Times.

 

No one has seen the report so we only have whatever the AG is saying - and he was nominated by Trump...

 



I've read the 4 page pdf. It seemed pretty conclusive that there was no Russian collusion by Trump or his team. As for obstruction of justice that was up in the air in regards to Mueller, however the AG and Rosenstein determined there wasn't sufficient evidence for that.

We should get the Mueller report soon once legal redactions have been made to it which should put everything to rest.

 

 

That PDF is a letter from the AG with his summary. There's a lot of weasel words there and things that look like something but actually mean something else entirely. I recommend reading those sources I mentioned to see how some of the words could have been twisted.

 



My hunch is that what the AG stated is accurate, as those conclusions were also held by Rosenstein. After all, wasn't it Rosenstein that appointed Mueller to investigate Trump? Why would Rosenstein undermine Mueller's investigation and conclusions?

We won't find out until we see the Mueller report. If the DOJ or senate republicans stop Mueller's report from surfacing then we can assume you are correct. I think in the interest of everyone it should be made public.


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Read this previous post. It is not up to the AG to determine that - it's up to the Congress now.

 



So it's not up to the judiciary but instead the politicians get to decide whether someone is innocent or guilty? Well, in that case the house will find him guilty and the senate will find him innocent irrespective of any investigation.


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