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  # 2222326 22-Apr-2019 18:48
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Pretty sure anyone with a bit of common sense would agree after 9 years on the opposition benches Labour would have been desperate to get back in power.

With regards to the rest of your comment thanks but I know how MMP works and there is no point me repeating what I have already stated with how I think it can be compromised.

 

Both parties were desperate. Bill decreed he already won when he invited Peters to discuss it. Thats desperate? No, neither is Labour, they all wanted ti win, you are using words incorrectly to make you argument seem better.

 

MMP works. We could have National winning and they veto CGT. We could have Labour winning with NZF so we have CGT or a form thereof. We have a coalition and as anyone with any common sense would realise, its a compromise Government. No radical lets do everything as we can, so its more conservative. Its what more than 50% voted for, don't forget that. Maori Party sold out, gifted their votes for money, I would argue that a  bad use of MMP, but hey, they were voted in, they made a deal. We could have first past the pots, once elected they pass whatever bills they like. And the 15-20% of votes for minority parties aren't counted.

 

 

Why are you ruining my enjoyment of the Trump thread with this rubbish?

 

 

Its not rubbish, and its OT


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marmel: OK back to the Donald.

One thing that is going to be interesting at the 2020 election is the approach the Dems take. There is a comment above about the Clinton campaign going high when they go low, well we now know that approach was a load of BS. We now know the Clinton campaign was paying an ex-UK spy to try and dig up dirt on Trump so the go high comment was a lie.

However, Trump is in a unique situation in that the voters knew who he was and what he was before he was elected. It's not as if all of the stuff came out after he became president, people voted for him in spite of that. Now whether people voted against Hillary as opposed to for Trump will be important as if that is the case any half decent Dem candidate should be able to win easily.

The other consideration is that his core voter base, knowing what he was all about and voting for him anyway, would only have strengthened their belief in him given the constant barage of attacks from some in the media, Dems and others. The Mueller report will work in his favour as well as no doubt his core voter base will see that as a "witch-hunt" given the conclusion. Circling the wagons and all that.

 

That is a load of cobblers.

 

The voting public did not know who he was. He was a business man (thats ok) he was an actor (thats ok) and for those on the Rust Belt he was something that was not politics, he seemed to be the saviour. He screwed them. The Rust Belt got ripped off. Thats what they know NOW not what they knew THEN. He played them as fools, took advantage of their plight, and ripped off a result.


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  # 2222634 23-Apr-2019 11:11
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Today's indignant tweet ...

 



 





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  # 2222666 23-Apr-2019 12:35
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From the Wired email today:

 

 

Robert Mueller’s final 448-page report on Russian interference in the 2016 election—and Donald Trump’s apparent attempts to obstruct justice along the way—takes some time to read fully. On close examination, it turns out to be a deeply compelling document, full of tantalizing revelations and details.

 

Washington Post book critic Carlos Lozada called the Mueller Report “the best book by far on the workings of the Trump presidency.” New York Times columnist Ross Douthat said the report is “a more rigorous, capacious version” of Michael Wolff’s bestseller Fire and Fury. Its two volumes paint a picture of Donald Trump as deeply narcissistic and incompetent, alternately conned and ignored by everyone around him.

 

Nearly every page of the report contains fresh insights, even to those who have closely followed the ins and outs of this complex, multifaceted investigation. But assuming you didn’t spend your Easter and Passover holiday weekend plowing through it, here are some key tidbits that recent headlines have overlooked, from the true scope of the Trump Tower Moscow project, to the case's fascinating red herrings, to the lengths the Trump campaign went to obtain Hillary Clinton's emails.

 

Garrett M. Graff | Contributing Editor, WIRED

 





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  # 2222693 23-Apr-2019 14:25
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I had to laugh out loud when Trump was asked a question by a reporter during the Easter egg event roll.

In the Mueller report, several staff disobeyed his orders, protecting him from himself. When asked if this made him angry, he said "No one disobeys my orders"

Here's an article called "13 times that people who worked for Donald Trump directly disobeyed him"

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/22/politics/donald-trump-disobey-mueller-report/index.html

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Robert Reich: America Has Already Fired Trump


 
 
 
 


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A lot of talk shows were on vacation this weekend, such as "Real Time with Bill Maher".

If you're looking for a good show discussing the Mueller report, check out "Last Week Tonight With John Oliver" S06E09

There's a number of fakes on Youtube with this title, which is annoying, but there are other sources ...


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CNN - Giuliani: 'There's nothing wrong with taking information from Russians'

 

21st April 2019

 


Washington (CNN)   President Donald Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani said while he would have advised the Trump campaign to avoid Russian help, he thought there was nothing wrong with a campaign taking information from Russia.

 

"There's nothing wrong with taking information from Russians," Giuliani said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."

 



 





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25 minute long video from Rachel Maddow | MSNBC. So grab yourself a coffee for a nice slice of 1970's Americana, and how it applies to Trump.

The uptake of it is Trump resistance to Congress' subpoenas, such as getting his financial records, is futile.

DId I mention that Trump has been involved in over 3,500 lawsuits?


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  # 2223051 24-Apr-2019 09:17
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Wow, that was well worth 25 min of my time. Interesting times ahead.

 

Could someone enlighten me about her very last comment re someone at the top that was not Trump?


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  # 2223103 24-Apr-2019 10:03
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Rachel was talking about Maria Butina.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/10/maria-Butina-russian-agent-nra-kremlin-infiltrate-plead-guilty

During the National Rifle Association’s May 2016 convention, where Donald Trump won the organisation’s coveted endorsement, board member David Keene hosted a private dinner that drew three Russian lifetime NRA members: a since-convicted Kremlin influence agent, her handler and mentor, and a previously unreported Russian who chairs a defense industry foundation, the Guardian has learned.

For the powerful 5 million-member NRA, the Russia ties of Keene and other NRA bigwigs are political and legal headaches that won’t go away – not with the FBI and congressional panels pursuing lengthy probes into the Kremlin’s alleged scheme to influence the pro-gun giant’s top brass, other conservative groups and US politicians.

In fact, as American politics has become consumed with the impact of Russia’s attempt to disrupt the 2016 presidential election in favor of Donald Trump, the NRA and some top board members have also become ensnared in Russia-related investigations, delivering an unexpected blow as the NRA’s links to Russia come under increasingly close examination.

The links are a complex web as evidenced by two of those at the 2016 convention dinner. Ex-Moscow banker Alexander Torshin, who was sanctioned last year, and his gun rights protege Maria Butina, who in late 2018 pleaded guilty to being a Russian influence agent and is now cooperating with US law enforcement, spent years cozying up to the NRA and some of its leaders. Their goal was to “establish unofficial lines of communication with Americans having power and influence over US politics”, according to Butina’s later plea agreement.

US prosecutors, who charged Butina with conspiracy to act as an agent of Russia, have indicated that GOP operative Paul Erickson, who worked closely with her, is a target too, and Torshin was her handler.

Moreover, Senate and House panels are also continuing probes that began in 2018 into the NRA’s Russia ties, and are looking harder at what NRA leaders knew about Butina and Torshin’s real goals, and a controversial trip they hosted in late 2015 in Moscow for several NRA honchos.

“The public record is clear that the NRA bent over backwards to help a Russian agent insinuate herself into conservative political circles,” Senator Ron Wyden, a member of the intelligence and finance committees, said in a statement. “The public has a right to know who at the NRA knew Torshin and Butina’s agenda, and why they were so eager to help these Russian agents.”
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The Washington Post - Treasury secretary misses deadline for providing Trump tax returns to House panel, says he will make final decision by May 6

 

April 23 at 5:40 PM

 


Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Tuesday told a key lawmaker he would make a final decision as to whether he will furnish President Trump’s tax returns by May 6, committing for the first time to a specific deadline in what has become a major Washington power struggle.

 

In a 10-page letter to House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.), Mnuchin said the Democrats’ request for Trump’s tax returns raised constitutional and privacy issues that needed to first be resolved by the Justice Department before he could make a decision on how to proceed.

 

The letter repeatedly cast doubt on the motivations of Democrats in seeking the tax return information.

 

Mnuchin served as Trump’s finance chairman during the 2016 presidential campaign and Trump has already signaled he does not want the information released, but multiple legal scholars have said they don’t see much precedent for Mnuchin to ignore the congressional inquiry. ...

 

 





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I find all of this concerning but I also cannot help being amused. I grew up at a time when the Soviet Union was the evil bogeyman out to subvert the West in every way possible. They were the enemy, pure and simple. They wanted to bury us. There were tanks throughout Eastern Europe just waiting for the word to start rolling. The worst thing an American could be a accused of was being a communist or even having any sympathies in that direction. The Vietnam war was an hysterical over-reaction to the imagined 'communist threat'. The Soviets/Russians were the enemy who would set the world on fire with their nukes at any moment. I still vividly remember how we had to practice getting under our desks at school for when the bombs came. 

 

What amuses me about all this is how the most conservative Americans were also the most anti-Russian. Those with slightly more liberal leanings might at least be prepared to consider the hypothetical possibility that there  might be a few exceptional Russians who were not baby-eating monsters, but not the gun-toting fundamentalists. To them the Russians were by definition in league with the devil. 

 

Yet today it is the direct successors of those god on our side gun lovers who want the Russians to help them take over America. How times have changed!

 

 





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Sorry. I misunderstood your question. Rachel was alluding to Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, who has likely lied to protect Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/18/ask-post-what-questions-do-you-have-about-mueller-report/

Your big questions about the Mueller report, answered
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Q: Was there any evidence supporting the claim that Trump asked Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats to tell the FBI to stop the investigation? (Steve Eddy, 60, Lafayette, Ind.)

A: This is a point of significant contention. Daniel Coats said Trump never asked him, but others remembered it differently.

From the report: “Coats told this Office that the President never asked him to speak to [James B.] Comey about the FBI investigation. Some ODNI staffers, however, had a different recollection of how Coats described the meeting immediately after it occurred. According to senior ODNI official Michael Dempsey, Coats said after the meeting that the President had brought up the Russia investigation and asked him to contact Comey to see if there was a way to get past the investigation, get it over with, end it, or words to that effect. Dempsey said that Coats described the President’s comments as falling 'somewhere between musing about hating the investigation’ and wanting Coats to ‘do something to stop it.’ Dempsey said Coats made it clear that he would not get involved with an ongoing FBI investigations."

Another ODNI official, Edward Gistaro, told Mueller’s team that Coats said Trump had asked him what Coats could do to “help with the investigation.”

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