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#2246848 28-May-2019 10:32

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The New York Times - Trump Administration Hardens Its Attack on Climate Science

They must really be enjoying all those tornadoes. Oh wait, that is just god punishing Missouri for cruelty to women.

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#2246869 28-May-2019 10:57

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Upcoming book by Seth Abramson 920 August) - Proof of Conspiracy: How Trump's International Collusion Is Threatening American Democracy.

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#2246873 28-May-2019 11:04

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freitasm: What a douche bag. Even more the Japanese PM who rolls for anything Donald does.

No worse really than the UK where Teresa May was whoring out the royal family to try and get a trade deal to bolster the exit debacle .

Mind you, I think the "renovations" at the palace will be happening for as long as Trump is POTUS just to stop him stealing the towels.

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#2246896 28-May-2019 11:36

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... Mind you, I think the "renovations" at the palace will be happening for as long as Trump is POTUS just to stop him stealing the towels.

Donald prefers paper towels ...

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#2246906 28-May-2019 11:43

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Upcoming book by Seth Abramson 920 August) - Proof of Conspiracy: How Trump's International Collusion Is Threatening American Democracy.

Seth Abramson: Proof of Collusion

Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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Curatorial journalist and "Proof of Collusion" author Seth Abramson joins Bill Maher to discuss President Trump's shady behavior.

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#2246976 28-May-2019 12:31

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I'll call it now, the democrats "strategy" for the rest of Trump's first term will be to make a bunch of noise and issue a bunch of subpoenas, but then be toothless in doing anything about it when Trump and his cronies ignore them. They will try to cause him as many problems as they can, but essentially they plan to just wait out his term.

After their failed election strategy in 2016 of "there is no way Trump can win", they will update their approach in 2020 to a far more bulletproof strategy of "there is no way Trump can win again".

Trump will not be impeached, or otherwise be removed from the presidency during his first time; and he will get a second term thanks in large part to a repeated failure of the democrats to understand the appeal he holds over so much of the country, or how to effectively campaign against him.

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#2247529 29-May-2019 09:14

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Boris Johnson may soon be the next UK Prime Minister.

Cartoonists have noticed something familiar about him ... 😏

deja vu

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#2247547 29-May-2019 09:38

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How 'we’ll see' became Trump’s philosophy

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President Donald Trump likes to keep people guessing. Which is why his "wait and see" philosophy remains a cornerstone of his presidency.

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#2247556 29-May-2019 09:45

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Cooper stunned by Trump's comments on North Korea

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CNN's Anderson Cooper says President Donald Trump acts like he is a bystander to world events after Trump said it "doesn't matter" that North Korea conducted short-range missile

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#2247728 29-May-2019 14:15

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With the exception of a few fanboys, it seems that most of us on this forum share a deep contempt and antipathy for the USA's Fake President.

However, we tend to forget, or are even unaware, that because of Americans' proximity to their radio, TV, smartphones and print media, they're far more vulnerable to Trump's brainwashing techniques than are we.

I've no idea how many of you routinely tune in to Fox, or deliberately watch Trump's rabble-rousing rants, but I think that almost any level of exposure to this kind of propaganda is a risk to one's clear thinking, or in the longer run, even to sanity. In a completely automatic process, the brain, upon hearing a word or word group, initially attempts to understand the data, then, if it's not gibberish or meaningless noise, proceeds to evaluate it. So the lie is unavoidably awarded a level of credence even before it's consciously processed.

Personally, my loathing of Trump is so extreme that I won't watch or listen to him for longer than it takes to change channels. This 'man' is a disgusting excuse for a human being and doesn't deserve even the smallest level of my attention.

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https://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing especially Part 1: 1 to 5. Part 2: 1 and 2

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#2247735 29-May-2019 14:36

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Personally I do sometimes wonder whether I spend too much time biasing myself in the *other* direction. After all, although I think Trump is a moron and his trade war is at best ham fisted and utterly unlikely to result in making America great again, there *are* legitimate issues with many of China's policies that need to be addressed.

Of course the irony is that the TPP was supposed to be a weapon to use against China in that regard, but the US stuffed it with a bunch of crap that everyone else hated which delayed it's agreement, then pulled out of it so all that could be removed and the agreement made. Yay Trump, I guess?

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#2247766 29-May-2019 15:15

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The most depressing exercise I can think of, and one I am not prepared to waste my remaining years on, is immersing myself in Trump world to see if I can make sense of any of it. For that reason, I do not closely follow the stuff that doesn't get a lot of attention. But every now and then something pops up in the media and catches my interest in passing. Although little of substance seems to get done in the White House with all the own goals and unnecessary battles, the business of government does carry on in the background in some fashion. Not everything is controversial or partisan and not everything demands a lot of presidential input, so some everyday things do happen, and sometimes Trump actually lands on the right side of them. Not because of any particular good judgement on his part, just because the odds dictate that he will end up on the right side of some issues by accident every now and then.

The problem this creates for someone like me is that I have a very hard time imagining that Trump can ever be on the right side of any issue, and if I suggest even a little bit that he can be, the Trump trolls will jump all over that as proof of his godhood. But yes, there are legitimate issues, not only with China, and sometimes he gets lucky with the odd one. And sometimes he even benefits others with his stuff-ups. But I still can't bring myself to say yay Trump.

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#2247767 29-May-2019 15:15

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When to comes to US politics we here in New Zealand need to realise that those on the right of our parliamentary political spectrum would be considered to be on the left side of the US parliamentary political spectrum.

We also need to remember much of middle US has in the past been ignored by politicians on both sides. Many of the problems in these areas are seen by those that live there as being caused by free market policies and the importation of cheap product from the likes of China and or the cheap labour of illegal immigrants. I'm not making a judgement either way as to whether or not their perceptions are correct, however these perceptions do exist there is no doubt about that.

Trump has taken notice of this part of the US population and has made it part of his narrative. Whether or not he's doing this for their benefit or just his benefit alone it's hard to tell. Either way he has strong support in many areas. No matter what we think of him I think there is a significant silent portion of the US who support him and they have that right. We can dislike him as much as we like but he's not our President. Conversely I suspect our Prime Minister wouldn't rate very highly in the US.

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#2247774 29-May-2019 15:24

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You are right. The difference is that what happens in New Zealand doesn't affect America. What happens there very much affects us here. If life was fair, the entire world should have a vote in American presidential elections.

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#2247777 29-May-2019 15:33

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Rikkitic:

You are right. The difference is that what happens in New Zealand doesn't affect America. What happens there very much affects us here. If life was fair, the entire world should have a vote in American presidential elections.

I don't see why, we don't live there.

We could choose different trading partners and not bother with the US, that way what happens there would would have none or very little impact on us. In reality what effect has Donald Trump had the average New Zealander or you personally. Has his presidency stopped you doing anything or buying anything or cost you in any way?

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