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https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/07/31/have-we-no-decency-local-church-leaders-respond-trumps-criticism-baltimore/

‘Have we no decency?’ Washington's "U.S. National Cathedral" criticizes Trump’s ‘dehumanizing words.’

This time President Trump lashed out at a target close to home. The city of Baltimore, which Trump recently called “very dangerous & filthy” and “rat and rodent infested,” is just 40 miles from Washington National Cathedral, the seat of the Episcopal Church.

But the response of the Cathedral’s leaders was about more than proximity. Trump’s Twitter attack on Baltimore was just the latest in a long line of attacks considered by many as racist, including tweets this month about women of color in Congress. And to them it raised a question.

“As faith leaders who serve at Washington National Cathedral...we feel compelled to ask: After two years of President Trump’s words and actions, when will Americans have enough?," they wrote in an impassioned statement entitled “Have We No Decency? A response to President Trump.”

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We have come to accept a level of insult and abuse in political discourse that violates each person’s sacred identity as a child of God. We have come to accept as normal a steady stream of language and accusations coming from the highest office in the land that plays to racist elements in society.

This week, President Trump crossed another threshold. Not only did he insult a leader in the fight for racial justice and equality for all persons; not only did he savage the nations from which immigrants to this country have come; but now he has condemned the residents of an entire American city. Where will he go from here?

Make no mistake about it, words matter. And, Mr. Trump’s words are dangerous.

These words are more than a “dog-whistle.” When such violent dehumanizing words come from the President of the United States, they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists who consider people of color a sub-human “infestation” in America. They serve as a call to action from those people to keep America great by ridding it of such infestation. Violent words lead to violent actions.

When does silence become complicity? What will it take for us all to say, with one voice, that we have had enough? The question is less about the president’s sense of decency, but of ours.

The liberal-leaning Episcopal church, a small but historic mainline Protestant denomination with about 1.8 million members, was not the only Christian denomination in the local area to condemn Trump. Others focused largely on his words about Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.), the House Oversight Committee chairman who was the target of the president’s attacks on his district, which includes parts of Baltimore City and Baltimore County.

In a joint letter, bishops and pastors who head most of the major mainline Protestant and Catholic denominations in Maryland — including the local heads of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the United Methodist Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Catholic Archdiocese of Baltimore and more — responded to Trump’s tweets about Cummings.

You publicly slurred our beloved City of Baltimore in a tweet. We will not dignify the slur by repeating it. It was horrible, demeaning and beneath the dignity of a political leader who should be encouraging us all to strive and work for a more civil, just and compassionate society…,” these ministers wrote. “Cities, which bring together diverse races, languages, cultures, economic and social conditions, are frequent targets for those who cannot — or will not — see their beauty through the eyes of God and in their inhabitants. To their detractors, cities are seen only through the lens of social evils such as poverty, crime, violence and racism. To God, however, cities are seen primarily as vessels of hope, lights of God’s reign, and opportunities for living in blessed community.
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President Trump, Republican Party sue over California tax return law

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The Trump campaign and Republican Party sued California on Tuesday over a new law requiring presidential candidates to release their tax returns to run in the state's primary.


 
 
 
 


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/07/donald-trump-jr-goes-fox-talk-media-objectivity-compare-democrat-mass-shooter/

Donald Trump Jr. goes on Fox to talk media objectivity — and to compare a Democrat to a mass shooter

Washington Post, By Philip Bump


Perhaps there is some cosmic almanac in which the universe’s greatest ironies are recorded, a heavy tome that the angels can skim, marveling at man’s ability to demonstrate his own insincerity. If there is, the celestial scribes have had a busy morning thanks to Donald Trump Jr.'s appearance on Fox News in which he lambasted the New York Times for kowtowing to its audience.

The subject at hand was the newspaper’s decision to change its planned front-page headline summarizing President Trump’s speech on Monday following twin mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio. The paper originally ran with a headline of “Trump urges unity vs. racism,” a summary of Trump’s comments that manages to misrepresent both Trump’s vision of unity and his relationship with racism. It’s technically true, in the way that saying Babe Ruth hasn’t hit any home runs this century is true. It’s just … not the entire story.

The paper’s executive editor explained that the social-media outcry that the headline spurred caused the Times’s senior leadership to take a closer look at and, later, to change it. Fox, in its presentation of the scenario, suggested that the paper was actually responding to criticism from prominent Democrats.

Trump Jr. readily agreed.

“They put up actually what happened, an objective headline, and then they were hit by the mob. And the mob went after them, and they caved to that pressure,” Trump Jr. said. “This is the New York Times. I mean, they’re supposed to be above reproach, but they’re not. They caved to the Twitter mob and gave their viewers what they wanted as opposed to the actual news, and that’s a scary place to be.”

The angels scribble furiously.

“The New York Times doesn’t function as a news organization anymore,” Trump Jr. said on Fox News. “They function as the marketing wing of the Democrat Party. So does The Washington Post and, frankly, most of the mainstream media. It’s not about reporting what actually happens. It’s not about being objective in that. It’s about driving forward a political agenda — in their case, obviously very leftist political agenda.”

He claimed that he’d “seen what these things do,” like “what’s going on with the Joaquin Castro craziness.”

“That list sort of screams out like the Dayton, Ohio, shooter’s list,” Trump Jr. said of the Democratic congressman from Texas. “When a radical left-wing politician who’s polling at about zero percent does this for either attention or a call to action, it’s pretty scary. I mean, that was the same thing that the Dayton, Ohio, shooter did, and people should be fed up with this nonsense.”

As the Fox News hosts took pains to note both shortly after Trump Jr. made this comment and later, as they were thanking him for appearing, what Castro shared on Twitter was a list of donors to Trump’s 2020 campaign from the San Antonio area who were already listed as donors in public records. The Dayton shooter’s list was written in high school and identified fellow students he wanted to kill. That list doesn’t appear to have actually been related to the weekend’s attack.

But notice Trump Jr.'s hop, skip and jump here. The media’s revision of a headline about his father’s speech is equated to what Castro did, which was equated to what a mass murderer did. The pushback from Fox’s team was to clarify what Castro’s list was, with host Ainsley Earhardt pointing out that he was “not necessarily saying go and do something dangerous to these people, completely different than" the shooter’s list. They did not challenge Trump Jr.’s broader conflation of Castro with the Times.

The hosts also didn’t clarify that Joaquin Castro isn’t polling at zero percent in anything. That’s Castro’s brother, Julián, who’s running for president. Joaquin Castro is involved in his brother’s campaign, but neither Trump Jr. nor the show’s hosts clarified who was being discussed. Later, Trump Jr. referred to publishing a list of Castro’s donors, which Fox host Brian Kilmeade joked would be a “short list” — suggesting that he, too, was conflating the brothers.

Trump Jr. acknowledged that “reasonable people” might not be spurred to action by Joaquin Castro’s tweet, “but when the fringe crazies on both sides — and we saw that in the last week, right? You had fringe crazies on all sides. Now they’re going after ordinary citizens.”

Here, Trump Jr. is equating the Dayton shooter with the gunman in El Paso. The former expressed support for Democratic politicians and policies on social media. The latter expressed support for Republicans. But it’s the El Paso shooter’s mirroring of anti-immigrant rhetoric used by the president as a rationale for his attack that’s spurred questions about how Trump’s politics overlap with the shooting.

“One thing that’s been noticed is that, for the first time, a president’s been blamed, his words have been blamed for shootings that took place in El Paso,” Kilmeade said.

“They don’t blame Elizabeth Warren for the Dayton, Ohio shooter,” Trump Jr. replied. “They don’t blame Bernie Sanders for the congressional …”

“They shouldn’t!” Kilmeade interjected.

“And they shouldn’t!” Trump Jr. replied. “But if it’s Trump, obviously it’s him.”

Trump Sr. began his campaign in 2015 by deriding immigrants from Mexico as overwhelmingly being criminals and drug-smugglers. As president, he has repeatedly warned that immigrants bring crime, disease, terrorism and human trafficking. His administration has claimed that immigrants are taking jobs from Americans, and Trump has told lurid stories about immigrant gang members murdering American children with knives.

The screed published by the El Paso shooting suspect echoed some of those concerns, but it’s obviously the case that Trump’s rhetoric against the people targeted by the shooter has been much more virulent and negative than anything Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) have said — even setting aside the much blurrier links between their politics and the Dayton shooter’s.

Trump Jr. went on to complain about social-media companies censoring conservatives, claiming (as he has in the past) that he himself has been a target. “I’ve been hit by Instagram and these guys for, you know, just asking questions,” Trump Jr. claimed. “They’ve weaponized that against me.”
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The New York Times - Don’t Assume Trump’s Approval Rating Can’t Climb Higher. It Already Has.

 

Aug. 7, 2019

 


Donald J. Trump doesn’t always seem like a candidate focused on expanding his base of support. He may have done so anyway.

 

The share of Americans who say they have a favorable view of him has increased significantly since the 2016 election. ...

 

 

 





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The Washington Post - Democrats ask federal judge to force testimony from ex-White House counsel McGahn

 

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August 7 at 4:49 PM

 


The House Judiciary Committee asked a federal judge on Wednesday to compel testimony from former White House counsel Donald McGahn, whom lawmakers consider their “most important” witness in any potential impeachment proceeding against President Trump. ...

 

The committee subpoenaed McGahn in April but the White House blocked his testimony, claiming he had “absolute” immunity. ...

 

The “absolute immunity” doctrine has no grounding in the constitution, any statutes, or case law and never has been accepted by any court, the House Democrats have argued. ...

 





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Baby Trump Does El Paso gofundme - success!

 

A GoFundMe account trying to bring the controversial Baby Trump balloon to El Paso has reached its goal within 14 hours of being posted.

 

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Reuters - Trump visits mass shooting victims; protesters shout, 'Do something '

 

In El Paso, on the border with Mexico, Trump visited the University Medical Center where wounded victims were treated after a man who had posted an anti-immigrant manifesto online killed 22 people at a Walmart store on Saturday.

 

Hundreds of protesters, some holding signs reading “Trump is racist,” “Love over hate” and “Send him back!,” gathered under a broiling sun at a nearby park to condemn Trump and his presence in El Paso.

 

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Baby Trump is back!

 

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  # 2292137 8-Aug-2019 10:07
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I hate to be a downer but that GoFundMe is from February.





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  # 2292191 8-Aug-2019 11:17
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Sideface:

 

 

 

Interesting, but I really don't know what it means in context of polling accuracy / margin of error.

 

Nothing to do with Trump and in NZ and not the USA, but there's been a dramatic increase in robocalls, scamsters, bulls**t artists since 2016, to the point that I seldom answer my landline phone and let it go to message, that trend self-reinforcing, even the last person to regularly call our landline (an ancient father in law) has retrained himself to call our cellphones. The only landline personal number I call is my sister, only if she's not appearing online, and only because she lives in the Waitakeres with very poor cellphone coverage.

 

As for online political surveys, I suspect people who'd want to participate are remarkably naive and/or zealously motivated. It's a big nope from me anyway.

 

Polls were on average wildly inaccurate in the US in 2016, or this thread would be many hundeds of pages smaller, griping about Hillary.

 

I suspect they're more inaccurate now. Clickbait.

 

 


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  # 2292208 8-Aug-2019 11:41
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Interesting, but I really don't know what it means in context of polling accuracy / margin of error.

 

Nothing to do with Trump and in NZ and not the USA, but there's been a dramatic increase in robocalls, scamsters, bulls**t artists since 2016, to the point that I seldom answer my landline phone and let it go to message, that trend self-reinforcing, even the last person to regularly call our landline (an ancient father in law) has retrained himself to call our cellphones. The only landline personal number I call is my sister, only if she's not appearing online, and only because she lives in the Waitakeres with very poor cellphone coverage.

 

As for online political surveys, I suspect people who'd want to participate are remarkably naive and/or zealously motivated. It's a big nope from me anyway.

 

Polls were on average wildly inaccurate in the US in 2016, or this thread would be many hundeds of pages smaller, griping about Hillary.

 

I suspect they're more inaccurate now. Clickbait.

 

 

 

 

Unless a polling company is willing to give me $50 for my time and my information (and I ask this up front) they get told NO.

 

We looked at our landline usage over 3 months and the only people calling it were marketing people and "Microsoft" from India, so that go deleted about a year ago.

 

Anyway I agree, the polls these days are  probably far less accurate because of the people who both will and won't participate .


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  # 2292246 8-Aug-2019 12:54
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So for the sake of it, then assume that we're correct and that traditional polling methods are becoming more inaccurate.
So then this hypothesis;

It's also a big problem to political strategists who rely (ied) heavily on internal polling when testing policy or with candidate selection (even if democratic processes are used, the leadership can still influence that) etc.

Otoh, it's pretty easy to "feel the vibe" as a reaction, be that social media, partisan media commentary. But to get that attention, the message has to provoke reaction.

I wonder if a recognized and increasing failure of traditional polling, and subsequent shift in methods used to estimate voter response are contributing to increased division.

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A man in a green shirt dubbed "Green shirt guy" laughs at a Trumprhoid inside a Tucson City Council Meeting. Officials were voting to put a "Sanctuary City" measure on the November ballot.


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The Washington Post - Trump attacks local leaders as he visits two cities grieving from mass shootings

 

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EL PASO - On a day when President Trump vowed to tone down his rhetoric and help the country heal following two mass slayings, he did the opposite - lacing his visits Wednesday to El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, with a flurry of attacks on local leaders and memorializing his trips with grinning thumbs-up photos.

 

A traditional role for presidents has been to offer comfort and solace to all Americans at times of national tragedy, but the day provided a fresh testament to Trump’s limitations in striking notes of unity and empathy.

 

When Trump swooped into the grieving border city of El Paso to offer condolences following the massacre of Latinos allegedly by a white supremacist, some of the city’s elected leaders and thousands of its citizens declared the president unwelcome.

 

In his only public remarks during the trip, Trump lashed out at Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio and Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley, both Democrats, over their characterization of his visit ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The New York Times - Trump Uses a Day of Healing to Deepen the Nation’s Divisions

 

Aug. 7, 2019

 


EL PASO - President Trump visited Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso on Wednesday on a day intended as a show of compassion to cities scarred by a weekend of violence, but which quickly devolved into an occasion for anger-fueled broadsides against Democrats and the news media. ...

 





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