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  Reply # 1651593 15-Oct-2016 14:23
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I am saying a robust both sided investigation should be undertaken, in a timely fashion and ALL factors should be taken into account.

 

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The problem is, there is no time to do this properly before election day.  undecided





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  Reply # 1651633 15-Oct-2016 16:08
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networkn:

 

 

 

 

 

I am saying a robust both sided investigation should be undertaken, in a timely fashion and ALL factors should be taken into account.

 

It doesn't matter that there is a history of accusations, accusations are nothing until they are proven. 

 

It doesn't really even matter if he is charged, it matters if he is convicted, in which case he should be subject to the penalties for those crimes. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many of them he's protected by statute of limitations, including the case where he's alleged to have raped a 13 year old girl and is a civil lawsuit - not criminal.

 

Many of the other very credible stories of him behaving as a predatory slug - fall short of being criminal acts anyway, he was just being a horrible dirty-minded disgusting pig.

 

Don't forget he's condemned entire cultures - and is planning to treat them as "criminals" including enacting unconstitutional legislation "when he's president".

 

I don't cut him any slack at all.  I hope he gets exactly what he deserves - and I'm beyond caring much how that happens.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1651668 15-Oct-2016 18:51
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Finally, some real information that affects the world at large as the election draws nearer..

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/85377755/why-donald-trumps-suits-dont-fit

 

Im going back to my store of nuts wake me up after hibernation.


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  Reply # 1651692 15-Oct-2016 20:13
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Elpie: The timing seems spot-on to me. Ask a few more women what they think about the timing. IF the women were genuinely assaulted then Trumps claims that he is talk but not action in regards to abusing women would very likely trigger anger and outrage. Coincidentally to this, newspaper interest in Trumps so-called "locker room" chat (and subsequent statements during the debate) was high enough that the women were likely to get assurances of protection against law suits if they spoke to the papers. I don't know if they got legal protection in exchange for talking to the media but if I was one of those women I would have sought that!

 

Sadly, I think these issues outrage those that don't want Trump to be President and make no difference to his supporters. 

 

Ok so there were 4 corroborators (More than enough I'd imagine should she have wished to have gone to the Police to raise her complaint when it happened). She has lived with this her whole life, seem him get rich, famous, announce his run for President, seem him campaign, all the time being dishonest, repulsive, disrespectful to women, racist, on and on, he gets the nomination, gets through 1 debate, and then another, THEN makes a comment on tv about not actioning what he is talking about and THAT thing, more than anything else, is the straw that breaks the camels back? She is ok with him being President so long as he doesn't claim to not touch women? If he doesn't say that thing, she lets him go to run the free world, when she (apparently) has the power to single-handedly stop him with her 4 corroborators.

 

I can't claim to understand the complexity of emotions that a person goes through if they have been assaulted in this manner, but my logic center says it just doesn't make sense. 

 

At the end of the day, there should be an investigation, no question about it. If he did these things, he should be in jail, 100%.  Having said that, I believe an investigation needs to include both sides. 

 

She hasn't "lived with this her whole life, seen him get rich, famous, announce his run for President..." etc. He was already rich and famous (well, perhaps not hugely famous) when the alleged assault occurred. He was, and still is, a powerful man surrounded by a bevy of other powerful individuals. You can hear some of her story in her own words here. There's a slightly more comprehensive list of the sort of stuff he's accused of here, along with loads of links.

 

You'll find a very common theme among sexual assault victims is that they tend to blame themselves and think no one will believe them, so they stay silent. Figures indicate most never come forward. In New Zealand only a handful of complaints make it to court and conviction rates are very low, I can't see why this would be any different anywhere else in the world. All quite discouraging for those that have been abused. Perhaps you might like to do some research and read up about it a little bit? You'll find a lot of commonality between places as different as New Zealand and the District of Columbia and many, many others...

 

Edit: 1 x typo, there's probably more.
Edit 2: I was right.
Edit 3: FFS...




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  Reply # 1651706 15-Oct-2016 21:18
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Trump's adoring supporters:

 


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  Reply # 1651755 15-Oct-2016 23:38
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Rikkitic:

 

Even if the allegations against Trump were true, it might be difficult to prove any of them. In court cases, the sworn testimony of multiple witnesses can be enough to convict someone. As more and more women come forward, my logic centre tells me that it is increasingly probable that at least some of them might be telling the truth. 

 

Ultimately, I don’t really care. The things that are on record, that Trump has admitted to, are already sufficient to disqualify him from the highest office of the land. If he loses, as I fervently hope he will, it will not be because the election was stolen from him. It will be because he is a rotten human being who does not deserve to win. Even if all those women are lying, he still does not deserve to win. He has already thoroughly disqualified himself. 

 

Like the rotten person he is, he has built his campaign by appealing to the worst instincts of an angry and alienated underclass. He has irresponsibly unleashed forces that may go on to create real havoc after he is defeated. Democracy works because everyone plays by the rules and accepts election results whether they win or lose. By claiming he has been cheated of victory, as he has already done, he is doing real damage to the credibility of the democratic process and setting the stage for serious civil unrest. It is hard to say what the more extremist and unstable elements of his support base might do. It does not help when he whips them up, eggs them on, and then gives them an excuse to reject the process and its outcome. I hope Hillary wins because the alternative is too awful to contemplate.

 

   

 

 

My first and final comment...

 

The West Wing is how most Americans (especially those who vote) believe the White house incumbent governs the USA...

 

House of Cards is how the White House incumbent really 'governs' the USA.


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  Reply # 1651766 16-Oct-2016 01:08
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It seems there are 12 women now who have made claims against Trump for sexual attacks. None of these women appear to have anything to gain and only came forward after Trump denied to Anderson Cooper that he ever undertook the allegations he spoke about.

 

I am 100% convinced now. Some of these women appear articulate and are making huge sacrifices to get the truth out there. There will be many more.

 

As for Bill Clintons acts....imo totally irrelevant now and those woman should not have been on stage at the last debate. Bill Clinton was tried and found guilty of his acts and was impeached. Bill Clinton is not standing for president. He was a very good president.


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  Reply # 1651795 16-Oct-2016 09:00
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DarthKermit:

 

Trump's adoring supporters:

 

 

And more:

 

 

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

 

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

 


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  Reply # 1651798 16-Oct-2016 09:06
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DarthKermit:

 

Trump's adoring supporters:

 

 

And more:

 

 

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

 

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

 

 

 

This type of stuff has been going on in the fringes for years. Were you not paying attention during the election and terms of Obama? 


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  Reply # 1651805 16-Oct-2016 09:32
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Fred99:

 

DarthKermit:

 

Trump's adoring supporters:

 

 

And more:

 

 

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

 

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

 

 

 

This type of stuff has been going on in the fringes for years. Were you not paying attention during the election and terms of Obama? 

 

 

 

 

Yes I was - it was going on in the fringes then. Trump was there too - with his birtherism claims. Seems very mainstream at rallies now - as evidenced by the proliferation of "Trump that B****" placards, booing the media etc.  The behaviour of Trump inciting threats of violence and hatred and claiming before the poll that that the "election is rigged" and there's a "conspiracy to take him down" is unprecedented from a presidential candidate. 


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  Reply # 1651814 16-Oct-2016 09:42
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Yes I was - it was going on in the fringes then. Trump was there too - with his birtherism claims. Seems very mainstream at rallies now - as evidenced by the proliferation of "Trump that B****" placards, booing the media etc.  The behaviour of Trump inciting threats of violence and hatred and claiming before the poll that that the "election is rigged" and there's a "conspiracy to take him down" is unprecedented from a presidential candidate. 

 

 

I think this is more symptom of the fact people are so unhappy with the way things are now. Trump is giving them a way to voice their unhappiness. I am not defending Trump, but he can't make people do something they don't want to do. they are turning up and wearing these shirts voluntarily. 

 

People who turn up at rallies are generally the fringes anyways. Real citizens have jobs to go to, families to look after, sports to play etc. 

 

I think the fringe is getting bigger, but I wouldn't say it's "mainstream" by any means.

 

 




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  Reply # 1651860 16-Oct-2016 11:24
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“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

 

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

 

 

If she's prezi and he keeps talking like that, some guys from the Secret Service will be paying him a nice little visit.


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  Reply # 1651863 16-Oct-2016 11:51
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Like the rotten person he is, he has built his campaign by appealing to the worst instincts of an angry and alienated underclass. He has irresponsibly unleashed forces that may go on to create real havoc after he is defeated. Democracy works because everyone plays by the rules and accepts election results whether they win or lose.

 

 

I believe that democracy is NOT working. Democracy works because everyone gets to have a say in the rules that are applied to everyone, so that the outcome is acceptable (to almost everyone). The decision-making processes of government are increasingly controlled by the rich and powerful, for their own benefit. As time goes by, it is inevitable that less and less people will find things acceptable. The angry and alienated underclass have no-one to represent them... the best they could choose was Trump. As Trump comes closer to representing them, the System is defending itself to continue the status quo.

 

 


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DarthKermit:

 

Trump's adoring supporters:

 

 

And more:

 

 

“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

 

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

 

 

 

OMG is this the 2016'a or the 1816's?   Sad actually, but I suspect a minority


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Rikkitic:

 

Like the rotten person he is, he has built his campaign by appealing to the worst instincts of an angry and alienated underclass. He has irresponsibly unleashed forces that may go on to create real havoc after he is defeated. Democracy works because everyone plays by the rules and accepts election results whether they win or lose.

 

 

I believe that democracy is NOT working. Democracy works because everyone gets to have a say in the rules that are applied to everyone, so that the outcome is acceptable (to almost everyone). The decision-making processes of government are increasingly controlled by the rich and powerful, for their own benefit. As time goes by, it is inevitable that less and less people will find things acceptable. The angry and alienated underclass have no-one to represent them... the best they could choose was Trump. As Trump comes closer to representing them, the System is defending itself to continue the status quo.

 

 

 

 

Maybe, but irrespective of the rich and powerful its up to the masses to vote, thereby democracy. The T-man should have easily rolled this election, but his antics stopped that. Sp the people win, off course assuming that he doesnt get in. If he does, Bye USA, credibility drops to zero. Ans Asia, Europe, etc will get on with life, the US will be on the outer


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