tdgeek:

 

I suspect a minority

 

That's the problem with Trump. He does too.

SaltyNZ:

 

tdgeek:

 

I suspect a minority

 

 

 

 

That's the problem with Trump. He does too.

 

Its a pity that in an election, not withstanding a super power is reduced to this. The US has a lot of problems. Debt, infrastructure, violence, racism, but this election, ie. Trump, is a farce. A farce is a kind term. The history books may show in coming decades that the world, pushed the US to the sidelines. Perhaps affecting themselves, but on many cases, maybe its time to meet new friends.  

For those who say he was going to lose JUST because of the videos which came out... 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11730100

4% difference between them even after the accusations. 

Now all along I've stated he can't win because of the college votes, which are the ones that actually matter, and I still believe this, accusations or not. However it's not infeasible to close a 4% gap in just a few days.

The lack of ability for him to get due process prior to the election COULD be a big deal (from purely a fair and level election).

frankv:

 

the best they could choose was Trump. As Trump comes closer to representing them, the System is defending itself to continue the status quo.

 

Thats what he is selling. But what proof do we have that he is going to make it better for "the common man"?

There are many things that points against it

• He is a tax dodger (he himself has acknowledged that, produbly)
• He is ok with breaking contracts and payments to mom and pop companies that can't afford to sue him
• He is ok to use underpaid people to work for him
• He is ok with not using american companies and products, like importing steel from China. All the while talking about how one should keep jobs in America.
• He is (according to himself) one of the 1%.

Are we to believe that he is suddenly going to shift his ways if he (god forbid) becomes president? He is not going to put his company into a blind trust, but seem to think that a "blind trust" is having his kids run the company. If he were to become president and the company is run like that, he will have ample opportunity to stack the cards in his own best (economical) interest.

jarledb:

 

frankv:

 

the best they could choose was Trump. As Trump comes closer to representing them, the System is defending itself to continue the status quo.

 

 

Thats what he is selling. But what proof do we have that he is going to make it better for "the common man"?

 

Oh, I never said it would be any better for the common man. "Representing" was the wrong word to use. But Trump is seen as the only way to get *any* change. The subtext is "Elect Trump or continue down this spiral for another 4 (or 8) years". I believe that Trump would be a steepening of the spiral.

But, like Brexit, it's becoming more important to screw the Establishment than anything else.

frankv:

 

 

 

But, like Brexit, it's becoming more important to screw the Establishment than anything else.

 

The saddest part of that is not that the Establishment will get screwed -- because if there are anyone who are currently immune to getting screwed in any real way, it's the super-rich -- it's that those who wish to screw the Establishment will simply end up screwing themselves. If I have $100 billion and the plebs vote someone in who costs me $10 billion dollars, I have - wait for it - $90 billion. Oh no, I'll only be able to buy 100 new Mercedes' this year, not 200.

But if I only have $1000 to my name, $100 could be the difference between sleeping in a bed or on a park bench.

SaltyNZ:

 

The saddest part of that is not that the Establishment will get screwed -- because if there are anyone who are currently immune to getting screwed in any real way, it's the super-rich -- it's that those who wish to screw the Establishment will simply end up screwing themselves. If I have $100 billion and the plebs vote someone in who costs me $10 billion dollars, I have - wait for it - $90 billion. Oh no, I'll only be able to buy 100 new Mercedes' this year, not 200.

 

But if I only have $1000 to my name, $100 could be the difference between sleeping in a bed or on a park bench.

 

Quite right. But my point is that if you're already sleeping on a park bench, you've got nothing to lose. Or, if you *think* that you're sleeping on a park bench yet, even if you actually aren't, then you think you've got nothing to lose. Also, if you're not actually sleeping on a park bench yet, but believe it's only a matter of time until you are, then you've got very little to lose.

If you have a choice between flushing your money down the loo or giving it all to Assad/Trump/Clinton/Putin/Rockefeller/Rothschild/King Louis XIV/Robespierre/King Charles/George III/[insert your exploitative rich person], what are you going to do?

If you can't win, the best strategy is M.A.D.

Cynical, depressing, pessimistic, probably true.

Most Trump supporters don't have the knowledge or ability to know what "the establishment" is, how it affects them, and if that happened to be negative then what should be done.

They like Trump simply because they can imagine themselves drinking a beer with him, in a locker-room at a beauty pageant, cursing mexicans, muslims, commies, newspapers.

Fred99:

 

Most Trump supporters don't have the knowledge or ability to know what "the establishment" is, how it affects them, and if that happened to be negative then what should be done.

 

They like Trump simply because they can imagine themselves drinking a beer with him, in a locker-room at a beauty pageant, cursing mexicans, muslims, commies, newspapers.

 

If the debacle(s) of the previous months have taught anything at all, it had better be this: don't make assumptions. When Trump announced he was running too many people made assumptions. The guy was a clown and didn't have a chance. Well, we know where that kind of complacency got the USA. The media likes to show the worst excesses, so we see the red necks and their ilk and assume that they are representative of Trump supporters. Rarely, does the media emphasise the university professors, business & professional people, respected clergy, and others that support Trump. His appeal is wide and its not just among "downtrodden", "lower classes", blue collar, or anyone else. 

These are scary times we live in. We can't rely on the accuracy of polls so nobody really knows if he is behind, level-pegging, or ahead of HRC. Nor do we know what the impact of split voting will be. A number of prominent Republicans have said they won't vote Trump and will not vote Clinton. So far, the Clinton camp hasn't campaigned for people to vote for her specifically to keep Trump out. The "get out the vote" campaigning is all about making sure people vote. It should be about voting strategically for the lesser of two evils. BUT, in this election, if people make a statement by invalidating their voting papers (as many are suggesting), this could see Trump romp home. 

It's quite clear that sectors of the US public are gearing up for bloodshed. If he wins the popular vote I seriously doubt the electoral college will go against this. If he doesn't, then heaven help North America. 

Elpie:

 

Fred99:

 

Most Trump supporters don't have the knowledge or ability to know what "the establishment" is, how it affects them, and if that happened to be negative then what should be done.

 

They like Trump simply because they can imagine themselves drinking a beer with him, in a locker-room at a beauty pageant, cursing mexicans, muslims, commies, newspapers.

 

 

If the debacle(s) of the previous months have taught anything at all, it had better be this: don't make assumptions. When Trump announced he was running too many people made assumptions. The guy was a clown and didn't have a chance. Well, we know where that kind of complacency got the USA. The media likes to show the worst excesses, so we see the red necks and their ilk and assume that they are representative of Trump supporters. Rarely, does the media emphasise the university professors, business & professional people, respected clergy, and others that support Trump. His appeal is wide and its not just among "downtrodden", "lower classes", blue collar, or anyone else. 

 

These are scary times we live in. We can't rely on the accuracy of polls so nobody really knows if he is behind, level-pegging, or ahead of HRC. Nor do we know what the impact of split voting will be. A number of prominent Republicans have said they won't vote Trump and will not vote Clinton. So far, the Clinton camp hasn't campaigned for people to vote for her specifically to keep Trump out. The "get out the vote" campaigning is all about making sure people vote. It should be about voting strategically for the lesser of two evils. BUT, in this election, if people make a statement by invalidating their voting papers (as many are suggesting), this could see Trump romp home. 

 

It's quite clear that sectors of the US public are gearing up for bloodshed. If he wins the popular vote I seriously doubt the electoral college will go against this. If he doesn't, then heaven help North America. 

 

 

 

what's scary is even after all the woman coming forward and his comments , his support, according to the polls, never dropped.  What is wrong with the American public.

vexxxboy:

 

 

 

 

 

what's scary is even after all the woman coming forward and his comments , his support, according to the polls, never dropped.  What is wrong with the American public.

 

Trump has repeated, over and over, that the media is part of a conspiracy. He's believed. There's people now that won't accept anything at all that is being reported in the media. The more negative reports there are, the more credible his claims seem. From people I know, here in Canada, even highly-educated, professional people are buying into this claim. THAT is really scary! This guy could win. 

The sad part is that Trump has the full resources of Fox News behind him....they support regardless and continue to try and dirty Clinton...and they call themselves fair and balanced.

Fox has never been fair and balanced. That is like Trump saying he respects women.

vexxxboy:

 

what's scary is even after all the woman coming forward and his comments , his support, according to the polls, never dropped.  What is wrong with the American public.

 

Bill Clinton's support didn't drop much when his sexual indiscretions became public. I think that it's seen by most as an acceptable human failing, which actually doesn't have much to do with running the country, nor any real impact on run-of-the-mill Americans.

What I'm surprised at is that non-consensual nature of Trump's behaviour hasn't been a hit against him. I suspect that it's still a bit early for it to be a serious factor, with many Trump supporters in denial and writing it off as media bias and grandstanding. But as the numbers continue to grow, it becomes harder to deny (viz Rolf Harris).