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  # 2354561 16-Nov-2019 09:46
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I'm more of a lurker than a poster in this thread, but I thought this was too good not to share.

 





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  # 2354601 16-Nov-2019 13:00
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I'm confident that the self-styled “dirty trickster” republican Roger Stone, and close friend to Trump, is going to die in prison, due to old age.

He has irked the sentencing judge by criticizing the criminal case against him on social media. The judge finally banned him from the platforms outright. Even then, Roger couldn't resists a couple more posts.

If anyone has ever watched a 1970's movie featuring a yankee minor criminal standing before a deep-South hanging judge, you should have a good idea what's in store for Roger during sentencing.

He may have gotten away with lying to Congress, but witness tampering laws are severe, due to their association with convicting the mafia.

The only laws, not involving murder, which are as severe is tax evasion.

Again when he show up in court in February, he'll be incarcerated for good.

It'll be in a relatively pleasant federal prison, but prison is still prison.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2354722 16-Nov-2019 16:37
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That's the difference between me and Roger Stone. If I commit a felony, I can't escape justice justice via a powerful friend. Excellent article. Worth a read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/15/roger-stones-conviction-trumps-ugly-response-further-demonstrate-trumps-corruption/

Roger Stone’s conviction, and Trump’s ugly response, further demonstrate the president’s corruption

Washington Post By Paul Waldman and Greg Sargent

...The possibility of a Stone pardon

We don’t have any idea whether Trump will pardon Stone. But it’s a real possibility, precisely because it would be in keeping with the very worldview he articulated in response to Stone’s conviction.

“I think there’s a chance Trump pardons him and Manafort,” former federal prosecutor Barbara McQuade told us. “They both have been loyal to him. His pardon power is absolute when it comes to federal offenses.”

That would be a tremendous abuse of the pardon power, of course, but it would go to the deeper core of Trump’s corruption of our political system, as well.

“Stone was convicted on seven counts, all relating in one way or another to lying and obstruction of justice,” McQuade continued. “To be pardoned for that kind of behavior says the rule of law doesn’t matter, that loyalty to the president is all that does matter. It would set an incentive for people in future administrations to recognize that loyalty to the person who holds the pardon power is the most important thing — even more important than adhering to the rule of law.”

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  # 2354984 17-Nov-2019 09:41
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Trump Overheard Pushing For Ukraine Investigation, Official Testifies

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A State Department official testified behind closed doors that he overheard President Donald Trump push for a Ukraine investigation of the Bidens. NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell reports for Weekend Today.


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  # 2354988 17-Nov-2019 09:45
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Only the best words...By the way, how do dogs cheat?

What Is Trump's Problem With Dogs?

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Watch all the times President Trump has said someone or something is ‘like a dog’


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  # 2355094 17-Nov-2019 13:19
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The New York Times - Fox News? More Like Trump’s Impeachment Shield

 

Nov. 16, 2019  (extract)

 


... Fox was the most popular television network for watching the first day of impeachment hearings this week, with 2.9 million viewers (57 percent more than CNN had), and Fox viewers encountered a very different hearing than viewers of other channels.

 

With Rep. Adam Schiff on the screen, Fox News’s graphic declared in all caps: “TRUMP HAS REPEATEDLY IMPLIED THAT SCHIFF HAS COMMITTED TREASON.” 

 

At a different moment, the screen warned: “9/26: SCHIFF PUBLICLY EXAGGERATED SUBSTANCE OF TRUMP-ZELENSKY CALL.”

 

Fox downplayed the news and undermined the witnesses. 

 

While Ambassador William Taylor was shown testifying, the Fox News screen graphic declared: “OCT 23: PRESIDENT TRUMP DISMISSED TAYLOR AS A “NEVER TRUMPER.” 

 

It also suggested his comments were, “TRIPLE HEARSAY.”

 

Researchers have found that Fox News isn’t very effective at informing Americans. 

 

A 2012 study by Fairleigh Dickinson University reported that watching Fox News had “a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge.”

 

The study found that those who regularly watched Fox News actually knew less about both domestic and international issues than those who watched no news at all. ...

 

 






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  # 2355197 17-Nov-2019 15:18
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I believe Trump and his cronies are undermining the institutions of government and the conventions of appropriate behaviour. They have already done enormous damage.

 

Assuming that Trump is actually removed, either by impeachment or the ballot box, What measures would subsequent administrations have to take to repair the damage? What laws should congress enact to prevent the kinds of abuses that have taken place? What measures would be required to ensure that the branches of government remain co-equal in the future? What protections could be established to prevent the appointments of unsuitable candidates and enable the easy removal of those who do get through? How can a recurrence of the Trump administration be prevented in the future without excessively hobbling the powers of the Presidency?





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  # 2355200 17-Nov-2019 15:45
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Rikkitic:

 

...  Assuming that Trump is actually removed, either by impeachment or the ballot box, what measures would subsequent administrations have to take to repair the damage? ...

 

 

 

 

 

The Washington Post - Watergate led to sweeping reforms. Here’s what we’ll need after Trump.

 

November 15, 2019  (extracts)

 


...  The post-Watergate reformers revolutionized campaign finance, government ethics, intelligence oversight and the president’s war powers. 

 

But they could not anticipate, let alone prevent, increasingly brazen and innovative abuses of executive power. ...

 


Trump has surpassed all his predecessors in his determination to expand the powers of the executive. 

 

He shows what happens when the imperial presidency is held by someone who genuinely believes Nixon’s doctrine that whatever the president does is legal. 

 

Meanwhile, Americans’ trust in government is at a record low. Once again, American democracy is in grave crisis.

 

Several nonprofit groups and think tanks have produced lists of possible post-Trump reforms. 

 

The most important of these proposals fall into four broad areas: (headings only)

 

1.  Protecting elections.
2.  Ending corruption.
3.  Restoring congressional power.
4.  Limiting the president’s war powers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  # 2355270 17-Nov-2019 19:59
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The New York Times - In Louisiana, a Narrow Win for John Bel Edwards and a Hard Loss for Trump

 

Updated Nov. 17, 2019

 


BATON ROUGE, La. — Gov. John Bel Edwards of Louisiana, the only Democratic governor in the Deep South, narrowly* won re-election Saturday, overcoming the intervention of President Trump, who visited the state multiple times in an effort to help Mr. Edward’s Republican challenger and demonstrate his own clout.

 

It was the second blow at the ballot box for Mr. Trump this month in a Republican-leaning state, following the Democratic victory in the Kentucky governor’s race, where the president also campaigned for the G.O.P. candidate. ...

 



 

Edwards received 51 percent of the vote, beating the Republican candidate by 40,000 votes.





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  # 2355422 18-Nov-2019 07:27
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John Oliver roasts litigious coal titan in epic, squirrel-filled musical number

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“Last Week Tonight” host John Oliver on Sunday repeatedly cussed out and gave the middle finger to coal titan Bob Murray in a glittery musical number mocking Murray’s frivolous lawsuits against his critics.

Heavy on insults and expletives, the song-and-dance piece has a title we’re not allowed to use or embed in this family newspaper.

...“We’re using protected speech to tell Bob Murray to eat ... ,” Oliver proclaimed in the Times Square-spanning musical, explaining that they were implementing “loose” and “figurative” speech to criticize the litigious mogul. “It doesn’t count as slander, because it’s way too weird,” he sang, “We made up these anecdotes, they’re silly and insane.”

The number came as Oliver celebrated his legal victory in the defamation lawsuit that Murray brought against him and the Emmy-winning show back in 2017. In fact, before the song and dance, Oliver devoted Sunday’s episode to recapping the legal saga, which he hadn’t been able to discuss because of pending litigation.

However, since Murray recently dropped the lawsuit, the host went to town and used it as a timely pivot into the topic of SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) lawsuits.

...The outspoken host warned against the chilling effects and the culture of fear and bullying that the lawsuits create: “Even if they are baseless, his lawsuits can do major damage. Ours wound up costing over $200,000 in legal fees. And even though our insurance covered part of it and we were lucky that HBO stood by us, this lawsuit was infuriating, took up a lot of time and resources and resulted in a tripling of our libel insurance premiums despite the fact, to reiterate, we ... won this case!”

Oliver then added that we need better anti-SLAPP laws nationwide “to deter powerful people like Bob Murray from using the courts to shut down people’s legitimate dissent.”
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Very rough language. Expletives start within first few seconds. Hilarious.

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  # 2355424 18-Nov-2019 07:35
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More from coal magnate Bob Murray. The man most closely linked to President Trump's push to make coal great again.

Bob Murray Goes Nuts, Gets Squirrelly Over John Oliver Case Dismissal


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  # 2355506 18-Nov-2019 08:45
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The Washington Post - Trump’s Ukraine defense: Blah, blah, blah

 

November 8, 2019 (extracts)

 


Sometimes a phrase can summarize an era. “We shall overcome.” “If it feels good, do it.” “It’s morning again in America.”

 

My candidate for the age of Trump was coined by White House counselor Kellyanne Conway:

 

Asked about findings by the special counsel that she had violated the Hatch Act (which forbids government employees from campaigning in their official capacity), Conway answered, “Blah, blah, blah.” ...

 

At stake in Trump’s impeachment inquiry are a number of ethical and moral principles:

 

  • First, as your average third-grader could tell you, but your average GOP senator could not, this was cheating. And cheating is wrong.

  • Second, this was cheating in a presidential election. Americans need to let that sink in: Trump was not stiffing yet another contractor or underpaying his taxes. He was trying to manipulate a presidential race. Trump’s actions were an assault on the assumption of electoral fairness that lends legitimacy to democracy.

  • Third, this was cheating in a presidential election using public money as leverage. Trump was effectively employing $400 million in taxpayer money as his own corruption slush fund.

  • Fourth, this was cheating in a presidential election using public money as leverage to subcontract actions that would have caused a political crisis at home. If Trump had ordered the Justice Department to open a corruption investigation of Biden and his son for clearly political reasons, it would have been seen, appropriately, as a Vladi­mir Putin-like attack on U.S. democracy. So Trump contrived to outsource his Putin-like attack on U.S. democracy.

  • Fifth, this was cheating in a presidential election using public money as leverage to subcontract corrupt actions in ways that could have compromised the security of a friendly country resisting Russian aggression. And this could have materially undermined U.S. security in the region.



 





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  # 2355680 18-Nov-2019 12:46
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If Trump keeps attacking his own people, he may be the first turkey to vote for Christmas.





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  # 2355697 18-Nov-2019 13:13
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Some interesting facts from Wikipedia.

 

To date, citizens of the United States have elected 45 Presidents.
Of these, twenty (44%) have had attempts on their lives, some more than once.
(Starting with Truman, nine Presidents have been attacked, 24 times in total)  
Five Presidents (11%) died, if you count Harding, although the exact cause of his death isn't certain.

 

Here's the full list: 
Andrew Jackson - Failed shooting.
Abraham Lincoln - Shot and killed.
James A. Garfield - Shot and killed.
William McKinley - Shot and killed.
Theodore Roosevelt - Shot but recovered.
William Howard Taft - Failed shooting.
Warren Harding - Died in office. Possibly poisoned but unproven.
Herbert Hoover - Failed bomb plot.
Franklin D. Roosevelt - Failed shooting.
Harry S Truman - Failed letter bombs, failed shooting.
John F. Kennedy - Failed bombing. Shot and killed.
Richard Nixon - Failed shooting, failed assassination plan.
Gerald Ford - Two separate failed shootings.
Jimmy Carter - Two separate failed shootings*.
Ronald Reagan - Shot but recovered.
George H. W. Bush - Failed bomb plot.
Bill Clinton - Five separate assassination attempts with guns, aircraft, bombs.
George W.Bush - Failed shooting, failed hand grenade bombing.
Barack Obama - Four failed assassination attempts with knife, gun, poison, pipe bomb.
Donald Trump - Failed shooting, failed assassination plot, failed poisoning.*

 

*Plus an attack by a ferocious swamp rabbit.
*Hamberder.

 

From this list, two assumptions can confidently be made about Americans:
They're not averse to demonstrating dissatisfaction with their politicians.
They were better shots in the old days.
 





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