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kingdragonfly
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  #2361851 27-Nov-2019 21:40
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Trump has been sued and sued so many people that he knows never to talk in court.

His brain, like limestone, is dense and porous. So while little gets inside, given enough time some things leak inside.

He may have bankrupted six companies, but he's not completely stupid.

However his personal lawyer (for now) Rudy Giuliani is just stupid enough to testify.

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  #2361962 28-Nov-2019 08:30
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Donald Trump tweets image of himself as Rocky after boasting that the doctor performing his physical had said: 'Show me that gorgeous chest!'

 

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  #2361964 28-Nov-2019 08:38
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Oh the Irony:

 

Trump pardons a turkey!


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  #2362029 28-Nov-2019 09:12
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msukiwi:

 

Oh the Irony:

 

Trump pardons a turkey!

 

 

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  #2362080 28-Nov-2019 09:40
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BarTender:

nathan: its not a conspiracy theory, its what most american voters know and believe.  Both parties are two sides of the same coin, theres no real choice here.


The ruling elites are out to enrich themselves and don't care about workers and the shrinking middle class.


The democrats are still not able to be honest with themselves about how they lost.


This impeachment will turn out being another democrat strategic blunder.



*Citation needed for "most" voters know and believe. That would assume at least over 50% of the voting population. And citation also required in regards to the relative honesty of each party with the number of criminal convictions between each party member.

The ongoing whataboutism in regards to the level of convicted criminality between the two parties is hilarious. The GOP have consistently shown themselves to be dishonest to the core. Only cognitive dissonance prevents you from seeing that.


And @nathan if you weren't sure, there is a Wikipedia articles listing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States or a not as updated / complete one of convictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes


Or some graphs from 2018 which are no doubt outdated now: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/18/1796668/-UPDATED-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-felony-arrests-and-convictions-as-of-9-17-2018


If you weren't sure the number of (R)'s outnumbers the number of (D)'s by an order of magnitude, but sure talk about both parties being two sides of the same coin. It's the same republican talking point used time and time again to try and distract from the appalling behavior of Trump and his cronies.


In my view, if Trump doesn't get impeached then it sends a very clear message that the president and everyone around him are above the law and the USA should no longer call itself a democracy and won't abide to any rule of law and it is an oligarchy.



American voters aren’t stupid. Things aren’t fair in this system.
Corruption = illegal
Soft-corruption = legal

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  #2362175 28-Nov-2019 10:39
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Again Nathan, to BarTender's point what is your reference?

What is "soft-corruption" specifically, with an actual link to something?

I get the impression you are posting a series of unsubstantiated straw-man arguments, in support of Trump.

Conspiracies and broad unsubstantiated statements are fine for pro-Trump forums; not so much here

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  #2362240 28-Nov-2019 11:16
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How completely disingenuous of Republicans argument that everything is hearsay, when they fight tooth-and-nail to keep White House staff from testifying.

It's like a mob boss intimidating witnesses, and then claiming he didn't do the crime because no one will testify.

Luckily there's no shortage of witnesses and evidence from people willing to stand up to Trump's obvious ploys.



Justice Department asks to stay court ruling that former White House counsel Donald McGahn must comply with House subpoena pending appeal

Washington Post, By Spencer S. Hsu

The Trump administration asked an appeals court Wednesday to stay a lower-court ruling that former Trump White House counsel Donald McGahn must comply with a House subpoena until its appeal is resolved, saying the battle poses great consequences for the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches.

U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson of Washington on Monday found no basis for a White House claim that the former counsel is “absolutely immune from compelled congressional testimony,” saying “Presidents are not kings” and raising the possibility that McGahn could be forced to testify before the House Judiciary Committee as part of its impeachment inquiry.

In a 29-page motion, the Justice Department asked the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit to stay the decision pending appeal, noting that a similar request was granted after a 2008 decision in which a federal judge similarly found that former George W. Bush White House counsel Harriet Miers could not ignore a House subpoena. That case was settled before an appeal was decided.
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Trump blocked McGahn’s appearance, saying McGahn had cooperated with Mueller’s probe, was a key presidential adviser and could not be forced to answer questions or turn over documents.

Jackson disagreed, ruling that if McGahn wants to refuse to testify, such as by invoking executive privilege, he must do so in person and question by question.

Democrats ask federal judge to force testimony from ex-White House counsel McGahn

The Justice Department’s claim to “unreviewable absolute testimonial immunity,” Jackson wrote, “is baseless, and as such, cannot be sustained.”

The judge ordered McGahn to appear before the House committee and said her conclusion was “inescapable” because a subpoena demand is part of the legal system — not the political process — and “per the Constitution, no one is above the law.”

“However busy or essential a presidential aide might be, and whatever their proximity to sensitive domestic and national-security projects, the President does not have the power to excuse him or her from taking an action that the law requires,” Jackson wrote in a 118-page opinion. “Fifty years of say so within the Executive branch does not change that fundamental truth.”

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  #2362288 28-Nov-2019 12:45
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Progressive Christian writer and activist opinion: "The GOP is not the party of God. Here's why."

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Several Democratic presidential candidates are giving stump sermons on the campaign trail, but progressive Christian writer and activist Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons says it will take more than a prayer to win over religious voters.


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  #2362424 28-Nov-2019 20:56
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First part about turkey pardon is so-so, but at 1:50 chaos over hero dog is hilarious!

Turkey pardon and Conan The Hero Dog

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert



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  #2362429 28-Nov-2019 21:46
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nathan: American voters aren’t stupid. Things aren’t fair in this system.
Corruption = illegal
Soft-corruption = legal

Not sure your point here @nathan as all polls a significant number think what Trump did was wrong. Over 50% support impeachment AND removal from office.
So still wondering what you're getting at.




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  #2362657 29-Nov-2019 09:37
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Not really related to Trump, but an interesting piece in today's New York Times. The Horrible History of Thanksgiving



...What is widely viewed as the first Thanksgiving was a three-day feast to which the Pilgrims had invited the local Wampanoag people as a celebration of the harvest.

About 90 came, almost twice the number of Pilgrims. This is the first myth: that the first Thanksgiving was dominated by the Pilgrim and not the Native American. The Native Americans even provided the bulk of the food, according to the Manataka American Indian Council.

...The Pilgrims had been desperate and sick and dying but had finally had some luck with crops.

The second myth is that the Wampanoag were feasting with friends. That does not appear to be true.

As Peter C. Mancall, a professor at the University of Southern California, wrote for CNN on Wednesday, Gov. William Bradford would say in his book “Of Plymouth Plantation,” which he began to write in 1630, that the Puritans had arrived in “a hideous and desolate wilderness, full of wild beasts and wild men.”

Mancall further explained that after the visits to the New World by Samuel de Champlain and Capt. John Smith in the early 1600s, “a terrible illness spread through the region” among the Native Americans. He continued: “Modern scholars have argued that indigenous communities were devastated by leptospirosis, a disease caused by Old World bacteria that had likely reached New England through the feces of rats that arrived on European ships.”

This weakening of the native population by disease from the new arrivals’ ships created an opening for the Pilgrims.

King James’s patent called this spread of disease “a wonderfull Plague” that might help to devastate and depopulate the region. Some friends.

But many of those native people not killed by disease would be killed by direct deed.

As Grace Donnelly wrote in a 2017 piece for Fortune:

The celebration in 1621 did not mark a friendly turning point and did not become an annual event. Relations between the Wampanoag and the settlers deteriorated, leading to the Pequot War. In 1637, in retaliation for the murder of a man the settlers believed the Wampanoags killed, they burned a nearby village, killing as many as 500 men, women, and children. Following the massacre, William Bradford, the Governor of Plymouth, wrote that for “the next 100 years, every Thanksgiving Day ordained by a Governor was in honor of the bloody victory, thanking God that the battle had been won.”

Just 16 years after the Wampanoag shared that meal, they were massacred.

This was just one of the earliest episodes in which settlers and colonists did something horrible to the natives. There would be other massacres and many wars.

According to History.com, “From the time Europeans arrived on American shores, the frontier — the edge territory between white man’s civilization and the untamed natural world — became a shared space of vast, clashing differences that led the U.S. government to authorize over 1,500 wars, attacks and raids on Indians, the most of any country in the world against its indigenous people.”

And this says nothing of all the treaties brokered and then broken or all the grabbing of land removing populations, including the most famous removal of natives: the Trail of Tears. Beginning in 1831, tens of thousands of Native Americans were forced to relocate from their ancestral lands in the Southeast to lands west of the Mississippi River. Many died along the way.

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  #2362736 29-Nov-2019 11:15
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Ah, so that's what the Yanks celebrate on Thanksgiving - getting away with murder.





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  #2362968 29-Nov-2019 15:15
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Donald Trump tweets image of himself as Rocky after boasting that the doctor performing his physical had said: 'Show me that gorgeous chest!'

 

 

As a follow up to this, the official Trump campaign Twitter account are now trying to gaslight about this incident.

 

 

The Washington Post article they linked to contained the tweet from Trump's official Twitter account. Not as a screenshot, but an actual embedded tweet which readers could follow.

 

So there was evidence that the tweet happened provided directly in the article. Unless they are trying to say that the photo isn't doctored, this is a flat out lie easily disproved simply by reading the article they linked to.

 

And the chances of this image not being doctored are 0% (with a 0% margin of error).


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  #2363035 29-Nov-2019 16:41
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Donald Trump tweets image of himself as Rocky after boasting that the doctor performing his physical had said: 'Show me that gorgeous chest!'

 

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To steal a line from The Rocky Horror Picture Show: "Rocky, so named after the rocks in his head."


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  #2363065 29-Nov-2019 17:32
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DarthKermit:

 

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Donald Trump tweets image of himself as Rocky after boasting that the doctor performing his physical had said: 'Show me that gorgeous chest!'

 

Click to see full size

 

(click to view)

 

To steal a line from The Rocky Horror Picture Show: "Rocky, so named after the rocks in his head."

 

Actually, Rocky was a lot brighter than Trump. He could easily string a dozen words together.





'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' Voltaire

 

'If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer.' Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'

 

 


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