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  #1486266 5-Feb-2016 21:25
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DarthKermit:

I'd love to sell that dildo on TradeMe. It's the most famous in NZ now. tongue-out


Yuck, you don't know where it's been! I mean, apart from Joyce's jowls that is.

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  #1486268 5-Feb-2016 21:32
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Are you asking how treaty affects New Zealanders or Waitangi Day?

 

Why would we stop our national day?

 

The small group that would win if we changed is the small group that disrupts the celebration. The group this thread is about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am asking how the treaty affects us TODAY? Day to day how does it affect you?

 

I know how Waitangi Day affects us now, 95% people consider it a day off work, 1 percent consider it a way to make a fuss, get their names in the paper to be relevant and important, and 4% fall within the margin of error.

 

You still haven't explained how renaming it to NZ day, is a win for the muppets who disrupt our national day? If we do away with it, they lose, because they become irrelevant and therefore next year there is no such nonsense going on. 

 

 


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  #1486275 5-Feb-2016 21:53
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It seems very silly to me.

 

 

It's quite hard for me to take any of it very seriously I am afraid. It belongs in another century - it seems largely the equivalent of the UK PM having to visit an authentic Saxon village to be greeted by people dressed in woad, blowing carnyxs and being rude to him.

 

 

Very hard to see the point or what anyone thinks they will achieve, regardless of what side of any political divide they are on.

 

 

Come to think of it, the whole concept of a 'national day' is a bit odd, frankly.





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  #1486278 5-Feb-2016 21:59
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networkn:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

Are you asking how treaty affects New Zealanders or Waitangi Day?

 

Why would we stop our national day?

 

The small group that would win if we changed is the small group that disrupts the celebration. The group this thread is about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am asking how the treaty affects us TODAY? Day to day how does it affect you?

 

I know how Waitangi Day affects us now, 95% people consider it a day off work, 1 percent consider it a way to make a fuss, get their names in the paper to be relevant and important, and 4% fall within the margin of error.

 

You still haven't explained how renaming it to NZ day, is a win for the muppets who disrupt our national day? If we do away with it, they lose, because they become irrelevant and therefore next year there is no such nonsense going on. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The treaty is our founding document, it is one of our several constitutional documents. It allows New Zealand as the nation it is to continue to exist, so yes it affects you, me and 4.5millions people daily.

 

Do you have links to the statistics you have stated?





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  #1486368 6-Feb-2016 09:55
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Maybe Waitangi Day should be replaced by an 'Independence Day' on June 30th. That's the day the New Zealand Constitution Act gained royal assent in 1852 and the colony became self governing.

 

 

 

The Waitangi treaty was hardly a founding document. Not every tribe signed and I think it was just a cost saving exercise on the part of the British so they didn't have to commit troops etc to take the place by force which they could easily have done.

 

 

 

 


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  #1486377 6-Feb-2016 10:46
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SJB:

 

Maybe Waitangi Day should be replaced by an 'Independence Day' on June 30th. That's the day the New Zealand Constitution Act gained royal assent in 1852 and the colony became self governing.

 

The Waitangi treaty was hardly a founding document. Not every tribe signed and I think it was just a cost saving exercise on the part of the British so they didn't have to commit troops etc to take the place by force which they could easily have done.

 

Since that's how everyone wants NZ to be views. Brittish too cheap to roll the natives so signed a phony document with their fingers crossed instead.

 

Anyone I have ever spoken with who has attended Waitangi has said it's an amazing experience every New Zealander should do.

 

One day I would really love to attend. Having been to Ratana Pa before that's something I highly recommend anyone who ever drives that way to go have a look at.





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  #1486378 6-Feb-2016 10:53
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I vote for establishing a separate New Zealand Day. I watched the Australia Day celebrations and the difference was 180 degrees. Genuine pride and togetherness. Waitangi is important to all New Zealanders and should continue to be marked, but it has been hijacked and turned into a justification for (undignified) protest, and I don't think it can be turned back from that. So let us have a new day, untarnished by transgressions of the past, that we can all feel good about.

 

 





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  #1486402 6-Feb-2016 11:21
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BarTender:

 

British too cheap to roll the natives so signed a phony document with their fingers crossed instead.

 

 

Totally agree that's how it looks from a 2016 perspective.

 

However it may be that if you were there at the time things might look different and you might have thought you were also doing the 'natives' a favour by giving them the protection of the Crown from other invaders, say the French.

 

Not saying that was the case, just that without being around at the time it's difficult to tell what all the motives might have been. 

 

 

 

 


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  #1486403 6-Feb-2016 11:25
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Geektastic: It seems very silly to me. It's quite hard for me to take any of it very seriously I am afraid. It belongs in another century - it seems largely the equivalent of the UK PM having to visit an authentic Saxon village to be greeted by people dressed in woad, blowing carnyxs and being rude to him.

 

Like Birmingham ?


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  #1486421 6-Feb-2016 11:40
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Rikkitic:

 

I vote for establishing a separate New Zealand Day. I watched the Australia Day celebrations and the difference was 180 degrees. Genuine pride and togetherness. Waitangi is important to all New Zealanders and should continue to be marked, but it has been hijacked and turned into a justification for (undignified) protest, and I don't think it can be turned back from that. So let us have a new day, untarnished by transgressions of the past, that we can all feel good about.

 

 

 

 

The difference is that descendants of native Australians - many of whom refer to Australia Day as "Invasion Day" are so few in number that they're mainly ignored.  Still, being ignored is better than how they've been treated for greater part of two centuries.

 

There's nothing inherently wrong with Waitangi Day.  The problem is with the celebrations at Waitangi exacerbated by the way NZ's hapless media beat it up.

 

I usually go to the celebrations at a local marae - couldn't make it today.  It's always a very pleasant day, without protest or hint of violence, some formalities then a hangi/picnic.  Notably absent as a % of attendees vs the general population are white multi-generational NZers.  New immigrants of all colours and creeds seem to predominate.  That's great, but a sad reflection on white conservative NZ - who I suspect have been made cynical about the day - not from experience, but by the way it's been repeatedly hijacked at Waitangi and turned into a media circus.


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  #1486430 6-Feb-2016 11:56
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I regard the current Waitangi Day arrangements as an irrelevant three-ring circus.

 

It's an opportunity for an annoying small vocal minority to be systematically rude and abusive to public figures, and hijack the media for three days.

 

Helen Clarke was right not to go. John Key was right not to go. And I suspect Steven Joyce, rightly, won't be back.

 

Why would anyone choose to go somewhere to try and show respect and hold serious discussions, where all they get is people jeering, jostling, shouting abuse at them and throwing mud/eggs/faux penises at them in return, ritually televised around the world by the ambulance-chasing hacks that seem to constitute the media these days.

 

The "celebrations" at Waitangi haven't been proper celebrations for as long as I can remember, just an opportunity for the usual rent-a-crowd to protest. It's well past sell-by date, and if they are going to continue with something then I would like to see something more inclusive held at a more neutral venue. Government House might be an option?


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  #1486446 6-Feb-2016 12:54
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BarTender:

 

SJB:

 

Maybe Waitangi Day should be replaced by an 'Independence Day' on June 30th. That's the day the New Zealand Constitution Act gained royal assent in 1852 and the colony became self governing.

 

The Waitangi treaty was hardly a founding document. Not every tribe signed and I think it was just a cost saving exercise on the part of the British so they didn't have to commit troops etc to take the place by force which they could easily have done.

 

Since that's how everyone wants NZ to be views. Brittish too cheap to roll the natives so signed a phony document with their fingers crossed instead.

 

Anyone I have ever spoken with who has attended Waitangi has said it's an amazing experience every New Zealander should do.

 

One day I would really love to attend. Having been to Ratana Pa before that's something I highly recommend anyone who ever drives that way to go have a look at.

 

 

 

 

I think you'll find that rather than 'too cheap' the British were in fact busy elsewhere with different natives and took the most expedient way out available at the time to protect their investments, colonists and the natives from the French.

 

 






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  #1486447 6-Feb-2016 12:56
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Mark:

 

Geektastic: It seems very silly to me. It's quite hard for me to take any of it very seriously I am afraid. It belongs in another century - it seems largely the equivalent of the UK PM having to visit an authentic Saxon village to be greeted by people dressed in woad, blowing carnyxs and being rude to him.

 

Like Birmingham ?

 

 

 

 

No, Birmingham would be more like visiting India or the West Indies than a Saxon farm.






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  #1486448 6-Feb-2016 12:58
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Rikkitic:

 

I vote for establishing a separate New Zealand Day. I watched the Australia Day celebrations and the difference was 180 degrees. Genuine pride and togetherness. Waitangi is important to all New Zealanders and should continue to be marked, but it has been hijacked and turned into a justification for (undignified) protest, and I don't think it can be turned back from that. So let us have a new day, untarnished by transgressions of the past, that we can all feel good about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Still not sure why we need "a day" at all. Apart from the time off for the non-self employed.






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  #1486457 6-Feb-2016 13:45
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Why do the official celebrations need to be at Waitangi every year? Multiple iwi signed the treaty, why not move the celebrations around a bit.

 

Might not stop the protests but it would at least mean we wouldn't hear the same voices every year. And Hone and his mum could have a bit of a rest. 

 

 


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