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  #1596971 22-Jul-2016 16:40
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networkn:

 

I know he's your friend, but it's hard to feel sorry for someone who flouts the law.  

 

 

Rubbish - just because it is written in law doesn't make it right.





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  #1596972 22-Jul-2016 16:42
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Dulouz:

 

networkn:

 

I know he's your friend, but it's hard to feel sorry for someone who flouts the law.  

 

 

Rubbish - just because it is written in law doesn't make it right.

 

 

Don't be daft. If it's law, it's law. YOU don't get to decide if you will follow the laws, you either do, leave or end up in prison. If you don't LIKE the laws, lobby to have them changed, but whilst they are law, you will comply, or face the consequences.


 
 
 
 




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  #1596981 22-Jul-2016 17:02
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PhantomNVD: http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11678911

Good reason to fight this garbage every step of the way!

 

I would have to know more before drawing any conclusions. Individual cases, even as extreme as this one, are only useful for eliciting emotional responses. What happened to this child is awful, and the behaviour of the mother is inexcusable, but in itself this does not contribute anything useful to the discussion. All it says is that there are horrible people in the world, and innocents who suffer at their hands, and that we already know.

 

 





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  #1596982 22-Jul-2016 17:05
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networkn:

 

 

 

Don't be daft. If it's law, it's law. YOU don't get to decide if you will follow the laws, you either do, leave or end up in prison. If you don't LIKE the laws, lobby to have them changed, but whilst they are law, you will comply, or face the consequences.

 

 

Up until 1986 it was illegal for men to have sex with one another. Now it's not. This is one of many laws which humans have implemented which are daft and discriminatory.





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  #1596996 22-Jul-2016 17:40
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networkn:

 

Dulouz:

 

networkn:

 

I know he's your friend, but it's hard to feel sorry for someone who flouts the law.  

 

 

Rubbish - just because it is written in law doesn't make it right.

 

 

Don't be daft. If it's law, it's law. YOU don't get to decide if you will follow the laws, you either do, leave or end up in prison. If you don't LIKE the laws, lobby to have them changed, but whilst they are law, you will comply, or face the consequences.

 

 

Well, here we go again. The law is an ass. It is a blunt instrument which approximates what most of us some time ago agreed was right. It is not absolutely right of itself.

 

*Everyone* breaks the law, every time they drive a car. The law says that you must ensure that your car is up to WoF standard before you drive. What do you do to ensure that the horn works? That the wheel bearings are in good condition? That there is fluid in your window washers? If you don't ensure that all of these are up to scratch, every time before you drive, then you're a lawbreaker. In your own words "YOU don't get to decide if you will follow the laws".

 

 


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  #1596997 22-Jul-2016 17:48

If it is illegal to be naked in your own home, should you follow that law?

 

Assume it is enforced. 


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  #1597060 22-Jul-2016 22:32
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Dulouz:

 

 

 

networkn:

 

 

 

Don't be daft. If it's law, it's law. YOU don't get to decide if you will follow the laws, you either do, leave or end up in prison. If you don't LIKE the laws, lobby to have them changed, but whilst they are law, you will comply, or face the consequences.

 

 

Up until 1986 it was illegal for men to have sex with one another. Now it's not. This is one of many laws which humans have implemented which are daft and discriminatory.

 

 

 

 

Then vote for the people who make these laws, to change them, put pressure on them, but whilst it's law, it's LAW. You break it, you go to prison. The end.


 
 
 
 


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  #1597061 22-Jul-2016 22:33
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Rudster:

 

If it is illegal to be naked in your own home, should you follow that law?

 

Assume it is enforced. 

 

 

 

 

What a preposterous argument. Hard to take you seriously with such a reply.


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  #1597062 22-Jul-2016 22:35
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frankv:

 

 

 

Well, here we go again. The law is an ass. It is a blunt instrument which approximates what most of us some time ago agreed was right. It is not absolutely right of itself.

 

*Everyone* breaks the law, every time they drive a car. The law says that you must ensure that your car is up to WoF standard before you drive. What do you do to ensure that the horn works? That the wheel bearings are in good condition? That there is fluid in your window washers? If you don't ensure that all of these are up to scratch, every time before you drive, then you're a lawbreaker. In your own words "YOU don't get to decide if you will follow the laws".

 

 

 

 

 

 

/me rolls eyes

 

If I get pulled over, and my car is deemed not road-worthy, and I get a fine, you will NOT find me in this forum, WHINING about it. If you CHOOSE to break the law (either because you grow weed which in NZ, presently is illegal, or I go on the road with a car that would fail a warrant), then the consequences

 

are mine to suffer.




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  #1597071 22-Jul-2016 22:48
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This issue has come up before in a different context. Civil disobedience is breaking the law. Yet it has a long and noble tradition as an effective way to get bad laws changed. Gandi used it in India to defy unjust and discriminatory British colonial laws. Martin Luther King employed it in America to bring about change to racist laws. There are many other examples. What about the apartheid laws of South Africa? Sometimes breaking the law is the only ethical choice that can be made. Saying all laws must always be obeyed in all circumstances is patent nonsense. A thinking person should know better.

 

 

 

 





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  #1597073 22-Jul-2016 23:01
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Rikkitic:

 

This issue has come up before in a different context. Civil disobedience is breaking the law. Yet it has a long and noble tradition as an effective way to get bad laws changed. Gandi used it in India to defy unjust and discriminatory British colonial laws. Martin Luther King employed it in America to bring about change to racist laws. There are many other examples. What about the apartheid laws of South Africa? Sometimes breaking the law is the only ethical choice that can be made. Saying all laws must always be obeyed in all circumstances is patent nonsense. A thinking person should know better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it hard to believe you would compare the necessity of ending apartheid, to that of legalising RECREATIONAL drugs. 

 

Flouting the law (which growing weed CERTAINLY is) so you can smoke dope and then comparing it to what Ghandi, MLK, and Mandela did is just absolute.. I just can't finish. 

 

I am starting to remember why I left this thread in the first place. 

 

If you want to argue the merits of decriminalization, sure, I can SORT of understand that, but saying it's ok to break laws just because you disagree with them, and then trying to justify that, nope, not having a bar of it.

 

 


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  #1597075 22-Jul-2016 23:06

networkn:

 

Rudster:

 

If it is illegal to be naked in your own home, should you follow that law?

 

Assume it is enforced. 

 

 

 

 

What a preposterous argument. Hard to take you seriously with such a reply.

 

 

 

 

And yet I have a point as it is a very real law in Singapore and people are prosecuted for it

 

 

 

If found guilty, you can receive a fine not exceeding $2,000SGD

 

 

 

This is a stupid law and it does exist. The point being, If you think the law is the law and you must follow it, then you deserve to lose all rights until you learn the nature of that the law is not infalible and breaking the law in protest is a valid method of protest.

 

If you were forced to join a taskforce as sanctioned by your government and stone every woman that is not a virgin and unmarried (As happens in regions of the middle east) or by extention Nazi Germany where average people were forced by law to fight against what they believed. Would you?

 

 




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  #1597076 22-Jul-2016 23:08
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So you are saying it is okay to break some laws, as long as they are about IMPORTANT stuff, but not others that prohibit what you regard as frivolous activities? That certainly clarifies things.

 

 





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  #1597077 22-Jul-2016 23:09
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Rudster:

 

 

 

And yet I have a point as it is a very real law in Singapore and people are prosecuted for it

 

If found guilty, you can receive a fine not exceeding $2,000SGD

 

This is a stupid law and it does exist. The point being, If you think the law is the law and you must follow it, then you deserve to lose all rights until you learn the nature of that the law is not infalible and breaking the law in protest is a valid method of protest.

 

If you were forced to join a taskforce as sanctioned by your government and stone every woman that is not a virgin and unmarried (As happens in regions of the middle east) or by extention Nazi Germany where average people were forced by law to fight against what they believed. Would you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Show me the reference to that law in Singapore, I think you will a bunch of amendments or special circumstances. 

 

Regardless, if I lived in a society that required such a taskforce, I would migrate, after I had made a PEACEFUL and legal protest against it. 

 

Reality is, in such an extreme case, failure to participate with such a taskforce would likely result in death yourself. it's a different culture, and whilst I don't agree with it, I also have no understanding for the reasons of those laws. 

 

 




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  #1597078 22-Jul-2016 23:10
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Rudster:

 

 

 

 

 

This is a stupid law and it does exist. The point being, If you think the law is the law and you must follow it, then you deserve to lose all rights until you learn the nature of that the law is not infalible and breaking the law in protest is a valid method of protest.

 

If you were forced to join a taskforce as sanctioned by your government and stone every woman that is not a virgin and unmarried (As happens in regions of the middle east) or by extention Nazi Germany where average people were forced by law to fight against what they believed. Would you?

 

 

 

 

Be careful. Read the FUG.





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