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  Reply # 1667003 9-Nov-2016 22:44
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My brother and his family in SoCal are thrilled, judging from the "Yee-Ha" text messages I have been getting!



I really would be interested in knowing their reasons why, simply to understand the drivers behind their choices.

I believe this election was won on the lost middle aged generation; those that felt they had lost out to migrants and minorities and where ostracized by both parties. I also think trump would have won if he had been the Democrat nominee as people appear to have principally voted for Trump rather than the Republicans.

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  Reply # 1667004 9-Nov-2016 22:53
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networkn:

 

amiga500:

 

I had my TV on Aljazeera & my PC on the CNN site most of the time.    CNN did an awesome job with their maps.    You could put the mouse cursor above each county and it would give you an update on who was leading and what percentage had been counted.    I found it was easy to predict a state long before Aljazeera had called it.    As for five thirty eight Nate Silver had consistently said that Trump had about a one in three chance of winning, so 538 actually did better than some of the other sites.

 

 

 

 

I was really disappointed with 538 the stuff I saw showed a landslide for Clinton on Electoral votes a few days ago. I wouldn't trust them next time around.

 

 

It's no different to predicting the result of a cricket match.





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  Reply # 1667005 9-Nov-2016 22:56
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Geektastic:

 

My brother and his family in SoCal are thrilled, judging from the "Yee-Ha" text messages I have been getting!

 



I really would be interested in knowing their reasons why, simply to understand the drivers behind their choices.

I believe this election was won on the lost middle aged generation; those that felt they had lost out to migrants and minorities and where ostracized by both parties. I also think trump would have won if he had been the Democrat nominee as people appear to have principally voted for Trump rather than the Republicans.

 

Hard to say; he's a well paid geotechnical engineer on about $150,000 a year so he certainly doesn't have economic complaint.

 

He has expressed intense dislike for the Democrats on principle and he detests state interference and anything that looks remotely like the welfare state, so that might have something to do with it. California also has quite a lot of illegal immigrants from Mexico which causes friction so perhaps The Wall appealed to him.

 

Certainly when I was over there earlier in the year, it was hard to find an ordinary person in the street so to speak who was anti-Trump. I shared a train ride with an American lawyer for 3 hours and he was adamant Trump was the correct choice, so it's not just the outliers who he appealed to.

 

Hillary Clinton was vehemently disliked by an awful lot of people - some I spoke to said her running was just a way to get Bill Clinton Lite. One person even suggested that she would be Bill's puppet.






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  Reply # 1667034 9-Nov-2016 23:27
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joker97:It's no different to predicting the result of a cricket match.

 

Exactly.  The only poll that counts is the one at the end.  All else is pure speculation.

 

tdgeek:Hmm. I feel there is more to it. The working man voted them and him in. His loud brash attitude has resonated with the working man, who has had enough, and wanted change.

 

No, he is not an idiot, no one thinks that. He just acts like one. While he doesnt have any political skills, he will have a power base of people behind him. But his policies are not doable. Yes he can repeal Obamacare now, and undo other Obama stuff, but he cant double growth, build the wall, replace all the ailing infrastructure with the best in the world. Big tax cuts, etc. Great pledges, but cannot happen, which will be his problem this day in 4 years time.

 

He certainly acted like an idiot.  But all the people I argued with genuinely pitched the "He's stupid" line in a literal fashion.  NewsTalk ZB and their "huddle" in the afternoon with people calling him an idiot and an ignoramus with conviction.  It wasn't a joke.  When I countered with the fact he's a billionare and owns a successful empire, people would counter with "Well you don't have to be smart to make money" or "His dad built it".

 

The haters can't even say he used his vast billions to win his election.  He spent the least of any candidate in history and without the major backing of the establishment and the rest of the world, managed to do it with his own money.  Now that he's defied all measurable odds, the anti-trump camp are going to have to think fast on their legs before they find themselves in a position where they can no longer stand on them.

 

MikeB4: He will annoy a lot of people but above all he is a businessman and profit motivated, war is not something he would engage in. The president is not a Dictator, there are many checks and balances in place. His rhetoric will now change.

This is the part many here especially don't seem to see.  I'm glad the establishment with their stupid "no-fly zone" silliness didn't get to continue their stay at the shiny desk.  I think for once, just maybe we will see more positive words between nations rather than constant threats of violence.  It will be interesting to see what unfolds in the very near future before Trump takes office.

 

tdgeek:

 

mattwnz:

 

It makes you wonder what he is now going to do first.

 

 

Backtrack on his many un-doable pledges?

 

 

I don't know if I'd be mocking his un-doable pledges right now.  A man, who has never worked a political day in his life took the popular vote against all the odds and won his title as the most powerful man in the world at the age of 70.  At this stage, anything is pretty much possible.

 

Considering the US economy hasn't really been recovering and has been in a constant state of uncertainty for a while, there isn't that much that he can do to make it worse.  People claim it's recovering, but China sneezes and everyone panics.

 

Geektastic:

 

One person even suggested that she would be Bill's puppet.


If my partner became the PM, it's hard to say her decisions wouldn't be even the slightest bit influenced by the person she had spent 6 years of her life with.  Since the Clinton family are deeply established in the political scene, I can see how a Clinton presidency would be more like electing a whole family with well established values rather than a team who have never seen a classified document in their lives.  I for one am glad they avoided the possibility of a proxy presidency.  Now that she has lost twice, maybe she will stop trying.






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  Reply # 1667036 9-Nov-2016 23:33
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Also the USA is very conservative, so a woman president is still unpalatable by many. I would have to have seen Bernie as the candidate as he was still for big changes.

I wonder if the new President will move into the White House full time, as it will be slumming it a bit compared to his current accommodation.

 

 

 

I guess there good thing to come out of this, is there will be a heaps of material for late night comedy tv, like there was for Bush.


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  Reply # 1667038 9-Nov-2016 23:50
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I think for once, just maybe we will see more positive words between nations rather than constant threats of violence. 

 

 

 

 

I think that is a wildly delusional expectation, based on Trump's temperament, ignorance, and history of threatening foreign nations, races, and cultures.


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  Reply # 1667039 9-Nov-2016 23:55
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

I guess there good thing to come out of this, is there will be a heaps of material for late night comedy tv, like there was for Bush.

 

 

Except he'll curtail press freedom as promised, so US citizens won't get to enjoy it.


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  Reply # 1667040 9-Nov-2016 23:56
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Also the USA is very conservative, so a woman president is still unpalatable by many. I would have to have seen Bernie as the candidate as he was still for big changes.

I wonder if the new President will move into the White House full time, as it will be slumming it a bit compared to his current accommodation.

 

 

 

I guess there good thing to come out of this, is there will be a heaps of material for late night comedy tv, like there was for Bush.

 



Yea, one of the greatest arguments for the Trump presidency is that he gains nothing by running.  His private jet is a downgrade, the whitehouse is a downgrade, his payslip is a downgrade and his over-all lifestyle is going to be a downgrade.  He had nothing to gain other than the title.  He's said since the early nineties (or even before that) that he would only run if he felt he needed to step in and make positive change because he loves America.

 

As I said in the other thread:

 

...but I can't help but think how hilarious a Trump presidency would be.  Hilary would be very same-same type boring president.  Trump however would be a barrel of laughs on my way to work for an additional 4 years other and above this one.

 

I am very much looking forward to the many headlines I'm going to wake up to right up until the day he is superseded by Michelle Obama when she runs.  You heard it here first.

 

Fred99:
Except he'll curtail press freedom as promised, so US citizens won't get to enjoy it.

 

If you need a tin-foil hat, I have one to spare ;)






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  Reply # 1667041 10-Nov-2016 00:01
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DravidDavid:

 

 

 

Fred99:
Except he'll curtail press freedom as promised, so US citizens won't get to enjoy it.

 

If you need a tin-foil hat, I have one to spare ;)

 

 

So you think that to believe that Trump would implement what he's said he will, then you'd need to be a conspiracy theorist?

 

Or are you suggesting that he's a liar?

 

 

Trump pledged if elected president to “open up our libel laws so when [newspapers] write purposely negative stories … we can sue them and make lots of money”.

 

This move, he said, would mean that “when the New York Times or the Washington Post writes a hit piece, we can sue them”.

 


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  Reply # 1667042 10-Nov-2016 00:02
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I am wondering if Trump is Sh!tting himself now :) When he wakes up to the enormity of having to do what he promised... Wonder what Pence is like as President?

 

I hope he takes this seriously. Maybe he will have the highest staff turn over of any President. Some of the reasons he sacked people on the apprentice defied belief. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1667043 10-Nov-2016 00:31
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 I trust the president of Russia far more than I do other politicians, so it's nice to hear dialogue between the two parties has already taken place.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/365966-putin-trump-congratulates-victory/






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  Reply # 1667044 10-Nov-2016 00:32
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I am wondering if Trump is Sh!tting himself now :) When he wakes up to the enormity of having to do what he promised... Wonder what Pence is like as President?

 

I hope he takes this seriously. Maybe he will have the highest staff turn over of any President. Some of the reasons he sacked people on the apprentice defied belief. 

 

 

 

 

I don't think so, in some ways it is like the ultimate achievement in the world to become President of the USA. It is the most powerful job in the world. Does he have to do anything that he said he would do? Whats there worse that can happen to him? Be voted out at the next election.  He may however be a bit worried that he will have to work, and work hard, and be told what to do. The thing is he gets swarmed with advisors anyway. The $400k salary will be a bit of a turnoff, considering he probably makes more than that from interest on his money in the bank.

 

 

 

The has been hardly anything said about Pence, and who he is. He is older than Obama is now, so is probably not a long term President candidate. He looks like a typical Republican. 

 

I still can't believe he is now the President of the USA, as per his Wikipedia page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump . What is interesting though, is in 1988, he was considered for the vice president role when George Bush senior ran for office in 1988 , which he lost out to Dan Quayle. Then for most of the 2000's he was a Democrat, but then switched back to republican in the late 2000's. So he has been in the background for quite a bit. The TV program however has obviously made him a household name.


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  Reply # 1667047 10-Nov-2016 01:07
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Trump won the election because the people of America were tired of the ‘club’ that Washington has become. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton would have meant only 3 families had been in the Oval Office in for at least 32 years. That people dislike that is wholly unsurprising, and many of the controversies surrounding Hillary are equally unsurprising for someone so embedded in the political landscape. Trump has been very successful at scratching this itch for many voters, and as a self-proclaimed outsider has had a lot of clear air to criticize the political establishment and offer an alternative – someone who can come free from the shackles of corporate donors, in-party allegiances and years of (political) deals, doublespeak and dirty laundry. Donald Trump promises to fix what many see is broken in Washington, and that is an undeniably admirable objective for voters.
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Donald Trump will not fix Washington, he will not fix America. Firstly, he has no true desire to. Being the ‘celebrity’ he is, there are literally hundreds of videos of him unashamedly demonstrating he will do almost anything to ‘win’. He is a textbook narcissist who will say or do anything, and will attempt to bully, discredit or sue anyone who stands in his way. Secondly, he has no clear or consistent policy on anything beyond hyperbolic slogans and nothing even close to an actual plan to achieve what he says he will do. His tactics in business (which he is not successful in by any generally accepted measure, including his own stated wealth) won’t work in the Oval Office. Being President is (thankfully, regardless of who is president) far from the supreme power that many think it is. There are many checks and balances with the house and senate that will not only likely prevent any large-scale political reform, but thankfully prevent any president from doing anything wildly stupid or rash – which seems to be Trump’s modus operandi.

 

Even had Trump not won, this has been a loud wake up call for all sides of politics, both in America and beyond. Getting as far as Republican candidate was going to stir things up – and that’s a good thing. There are things that are not working well in Washington, and in other places in the world, and voters in the US have made it very clear today they won’t stand for it.

 

They are politicians, and they all are (almost all) slimeballs. That’s the nature of the beast, and Trump is no exception. The task today of the American people wasn’t to choose the best person for the job, because frankly, they didn’t have good options to choose from. Their task was to choose the least bad person for the job from the two options they had, and they failed miserably. At the end of the day, both candidates are deeply flawed, but voters chose to put aside the fact that Donald Trump is an incredibly selfish, irrational, hateful, spiteful, unreasonable, uncaring, arrogant, abusive, manipulative, untruthful and unintelligent buffoon on the superficial promise to fix issues the president (whoever) simply cannot change in a meaningful way. Donald was perplexingly successful in minimising his own many flaws, failings and frauds whilst, relatively speaking, making Clinton look like a criminal mastermind because...she used a personal email server? If Donald Trump seriously tries to pursue many of the things his rants about, he will do significant damage to decades of progress in international relations, trade, global economies, equality, and the prosperity of many of the people he has conned. He has no idea what he is doing.

 

Like Brexit, Americans made their point today. And like Brexit, it will soon become clear that when politicians make extremely bold, brazen but unsubstantiated claims that appeal to people’s fears, prejudices and distrust, they can rarely make good on those promises even if they want to and usually make things far, far worse instead. And while electing Hillary would have meant more of the same than perhaps otherwise (we’ll see), she was by far the least bad option for a million reasons (and this post is long enough). Only time will now tell how this plays out – and I hope for everyone’s sake that Donald can control his inclination to look after himself over anyone else.





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M. Obama will probably be a shoe in to be a future president though . Although I am still not sure they are ready yet for a female president, let alone a black female president. I think the female thing played a major role in Hillary not getting in, and also it was her personality, or lack of it. She isn't charismatic which is needed in a leader. Also the whole FBI thing when people were voting didn't help at all.

 

It is going to be so interesting to see what happens.  I suspect there will be some major world events that will occur during his term.

 

 


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  Reply # 1667070 10-Nov-2016 05:45
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DravidDravid: Yea, one of the greatest arguments for the Trump presidency is that he gains nothing by running. His private jet is a downgrade, the whitehouse is a downgrade, his payslip is a downgrade and his over-all lifestyle is going to be a downgrade. He had nothing to gain other than the title. He's said since the early nineties (or even before that) that he would only run if he felt he needed to step in and make positive change because he loves America.

Wrong. There is an enormous amount Trump will gain financially and personally from this position. He has no legal obligation to give up anything when he enters the presidency, and he will continue to trade. Preferably he will find a successor later to avoid any potential prosecutions that come up. He will not drain the swamp, just make it his own.

I can't see major changes unless they change their electoral system and system of government. It's actually surprising it is not a whole lot worse.

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