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  Reply # 1717476 9-Feb-2017 08:03
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I'd rather people who don't want to vote don't vote, otherwise you might see the Civilian party in parliament


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  Reply # 1717508 9-Feb-2017 09:45
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And today's word is ...

 

A.Word.A.Day


trumpery

MEANING:

1. Something showy but worthless.
2. Nonsense or rubbish.
3. Deceit; fraud; trickery.

ETYMOLOGY:

From French tromper (to deceive). Earliest documented use: 1481.



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  Reply # 1717523 9-Feb-2017 10:09
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 Another definition from Wiki, I bolded the important words

 

 

 

Trump (card games), a card of a suit which outranks all other suits in many trick-taking games


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  Reply # 1717525 9-Feb-2017 10:12
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the best quote to date about Donald Trump by Frankie Boyle of The Guardian .....

 

"Donald Trump: a man so obnoxious that karma may see him reincarnated as himself"




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  Reply # 1717601 9-Feb-2017 12:12
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jarledb:

 

MikeAqua:

 

But what assumptions do you make about how non-voters would vote if they did vote?

 

Change the system (or just change turnout) and politicians will adapt their strategies to suit.  Someone like Trump can still get elected by using a different set of dog whistles.

 

 

Thats what Trump wants you to believe. I don't think he would have had a chance in hell if the election was based on the popular vote, no matter the strategies.

 

Mind you, with the Republicans controlling house, senate and having the President, they will have ample opportunity to keep rigging the system, so who knows how the next merry go round is going to look like...

 

 

I've believed that about electoral systems long before I'd heard of Donald Trump.

 

We've seen it in NZ.  MMP was going to end the dominance of the two major parties in NZ and usher in new era of consensus making, enlightenment and unicorns holding hooves an dancing under a rainbow.  But they (the major parties not unicorns) simply changed their strategies/policies and continue to dominate.

 

Under FPP, MMP and STV (where applicable) different people moan about different perturbations each system is vulnerable to.

 

Perturbations (and moaning) exist under all systems.  It's human nature to think that changing to different set of perturbations would favour your POV. 

 

I think it's the same part of human nature that thinks the ref is wrong and we would have won if only he'd ... at the end of the day if you lost, you lost





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  Reply # 1717606 9-Feb-2017 12:24
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JayADee: From News and Guts on Facebook:

Last night there was an extraordinary confrontation in the US Senate when Republican Senators voted to formally silence Elizabeth Warren as she condemned the nomination of a colleague, Senator Jeff Sessions.
The issue was a letter Warren was reading from the late Coretta Scott King. In 1986, when Sessions was up for a federal judgeship, King wrote a scathing letter that called Sessions a racist. Here is part of the letter:
“Anyone who has used the power of his office as United States Attorney to intimidate and chill the free exercise of the ballot by citizens should not be elevated to our courts...Mr. Sessions has used the awesome powers of his office in a shabby attempt to intimidate and frighten elderly black voters. For this reprehensible conduct, he should not be rewarded with a federal judgeship.”
Here's how Warren responded on Twitter:
I spoke out about @SenatorSessions – until @SenateMajLdr McConnell decided to silence me.
I will not be silent about a nominee for AG who has made derogatory & racist comments that have no place in our justice system.
I will not be silent while the Republicans rubber stamp an AG who will never stand up to the @POTUS when he breaks the law.

Sessions is a very right wing Trump supporter.

 

This sort of thing is why I think anyone that believes Trump will be impeached at some stage is dreaming.


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  Reply # 1717607 9-Feb-2017 12:24
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MMP was a silly system pushed by the political parties, who didn't want to lose their power. STV would be a much fairer system, expect most people don't understand it.

 

 





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  Reply # 1717610 9-Feb-2017 12:33
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MikeAqua:

 

jarledb:

 

MikeAqua:

 

But what assumptions do you make about how non-voters would vote if they did vote?

 

Change the system (or just change turnout) and politicians will adapt their strategies to suit.  Someone like Trump can still get elected by using a different set of dog whistles.

 

 

Thats what Trump wants you to believe. I don't think he would have had a chance in hell if the election was based on the popular vote, no matter the strategies.

 

Mind you, with the Republicans controlling house, senate and having the President, they will have ample opportunity to keep rigging the system, so who knows how the next merry go round is going to look like...

 

 

I've believed that about electoral systems long before I'd heard of Donald Trump.

 

We've seen it in NZ.  MMP was going to end the dominance of the two major parties in NZ and usher in new era of consensus making, enlightenment and unicorns holding hooves an dancing under a rainbow.  But they (the major parties not unicorns) simply changed their strategies/policies and continue to dominate.

 

Under FPP, MMP and STV (where applicable) different people moan about different perturbations each system is vulnerable to.

 

Perturbations (and moaning) exist under all systems.  It's human nature to think that changing to different set of perturbations would favour your POV. 

 

I think it's the same part of human nature that thinks the ref is wrong and we would have won if only he'd ... at the end of the day if you lost, you lost

 

 

re jarledb: you don't know America. the non well-to-dos voted for trump. anyone who is not doing well will have voted for him. popular vote he also has a chance - if his campaign strategy was right. very good chance. why? they hate Hillary.


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  Reply # 1717618 9-Feb-2017 12:45
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MikeB4:

 

the best quote to date about Donald Trump by Frankie Boyle of The Guardian .....

 

"Donald Trump: a man so obnoxious that karma may see him reincarnated as himself"

 

 

There are some who believe that this has already happened ...   undecided

 





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Haha - saw a pile humourous names for Trump on FB the other day, but my favourite was Casino Mussolini ;-)


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  Reply # 1717658 9-Feb-2017 13:31
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Trumpy's choice for Attorney General has sailed through.


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  Reply # 1717663 9-Feb-2017 13:38
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Rikkitic:

MMP was a silly system pushed by the political parties, who didn't want to lose their power. STV would be a much fairer system, expect most people don't understand it.


 



MMP was the people's choice and I feel the best choice.




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  Reply # 1717672 9-Feb-2017 13:51
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Rikkitic:

 

MMP was a silly system pushed by the political parties, who didn't want to lose their power. STV would be a much fairer system, expect most people don't understand it.

 

 

You just illustrated my argument above ... I presume you're being ironic?

 

 





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  Reply # 1717677 9-Feb-2017 14:00
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MikeB4:
Rikkitic:

 

MMP was a silly system pushed by the political parties, who didn't want to lose their power. STV would be a much fairer system, expect most people don't understand it.

 



MMP was the people's choice and I feel the best choice.

 

In the 1992 referendum 47% of eligible voters voted for something other than FPP (85% of 55% turnout).

 

But in 1993 the choice was resoundingly in favour of MMP.

 

I can't remember what I voted for to be honest.

 

 





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  Reply # 1717725 9-Feb-2017 14:56
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joker97:

 

 

 

re jarledb: you don't know America. the non well-to-dos voted for trump. anyone who is not doing well will have voted for him. popular vote he also has a chance - if his campaign strategy was right. very good chance. why? they hate Hillary.

 

 

I don't think you know me well enough to know what I know about America. I know quite a few of Americas. Both people that voted for Trump and for Hillary.

 

One of the problems in America is that people that typically vote Republican get all their news from the propaganda channel of the Republican part (also known was Fox).

 

But even so, Hillary managed almost 3 million more votes than Trump.

 

I think there is a good chance that Hillary would have won if everything was equal. And by that I mean if the Republicans hadn't managed to stifle votes by imposing voter restrictions aimed at groups that typically vote Democratic, all to stop "voter fraud" that is basically non-existent.





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