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  Reply # 1668200 11-Nov-2016 18:05
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nunz:

 

freitasm:

 

I have removed all invocations to Godwin's Law and posters were warned. Do it again from here and it will be an instant ban.

 

 

1 - My apologies - i didn't know it was actually a rule for GZ. If I had been aware i wouldn't have invoked it.

 

2 - I would actually like to make a case that using it historically - rather than as a dumb ass comparison is a different case - otherwise we are doomed to never learn from history.

 

3 - i would like you to consider i didn't break Godwins law as http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law   would also agree that to use an historical discussion - not a dumb bunny comparison is a valid use .

 

 

 

maybe there is a case for recognizing valid uses - nad incorporating them in the rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I support this. I agree on the prohibition against frivolous and misplaced references, but I think it ought to be possible to discuss this in a serious historical context. It is such a big part of history that it is hard to twist around it sometimes. However, I also accept that the final decision rests with the owner and I will respect that regardless.

 

 





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  Reply # 1668203 11-Nov-2016 18:17
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mattwnz:

 

You do have to wonder why he doesn't just want to retire, and enjoy the rest of his life. Many people his age are moving into retirement villages. Maybe he thrives on conflict, and likes to be important. But if that is the reason, it is going to wear off quickly I think at his age. I will be very surprised if he lasts more than 1 term one way or another. Being 74 an President is probably pushing it, but being nearly 80 will be a stretch. 

 

It is such a pity they chose Hillary over Bernie, as she just had far too much baggage, and it was always going to be difficult to break the glass ceiling when much of the US is very very conservative. If M. Obama stands in 2020, she is likely going to struggle too. Although apparently Hillary did end up with more people voting for her, the numbers in each state just didn't add up. This shows it isn't a great system, as it means some peoples votes in some states, have more weight and influence than other peoples votes. 

 

 

 

 

I do find the suggestion that because someone gets to 70 they should toddle off to a rest home and wait for the grim reaper a little.. off. :) 

 

I think he geniunely wants to make America great again, and I do believe he thinks he has something to offer. Obviously there are some potential benefits along the way to him.

 

Michelle Obama probably won't run, that's a huge mountain to climb and to be fair, as nice as she is, nice doesn't really qualify you for office. I don't believe she has really shown much in the way of leadership, other than a few nice speeches. 

 

She might run, I would be somewhat surprised if she got past the primaries. 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1668208 11-Nov-2016 18:23
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  Reply # 1668209 11-Nov-2016 18:24
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mattwnz:

 

You do have to wonder why he doesn't just want to retire, and enjoy the rest of his life. Many people his age are moving into retirement villages. Maybe he thrives on conflict, and likes to be important. But if that is the reason, it is going to wear off quickly I think at his age. I will be very surprised if he lasts more than 1 term one way or another. Being 74 an President is probably pushing it, but being nearly 80 will be a stretch. 

 

It is such a pity they chose Hillary over Bernie, as she just had far too much baggage, and it was always going to be difficult to break the glass ceiling when much of the US is very very conservative. If M. Obama stands in 2020, she is likely going to struggle too. Although apparently Hillary did end up with more people voting for her, the numbers in each state just didn't add up. This shows it isn't a great system, as it means some peoples votes in some states, have more weight and influence than other peoples votes. 

 

 

 

 

can't really complain about the result the system produced, ie the electoral colleges.  its the way the system is, a federation of states which stops smaller states having way less influence that bigger states with more people.  Also they campaigned based on this system.  If the result was based on the general vote, they would've campaigned on that instead of the electoral colleges.


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  Reply # 1668212 11-Nov-2016 18:25
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Calexit?

 

 

 

Edit - I thought that was a bit of a hoax.  It's not. 


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  Reply # 1668221 11-Nov-2016 18:36
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mattwnz:

 

You do have to wonder why he doesn't just want to retire, and enjoy the rest of his life. ..

 

<snip>

 

 

Because he has a huge ego and loves power? ...  undecided

 





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  Reply # 1668288 11-Nov-2016 21:29
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Sideface:

 

mattwnz:

 

You do have to wonder why he doesn't just want to retire, and enjoy the rest of his life. ..

 

<snip>

 

 

Because he has a huge ego and loves power? ...  undecided

 

 

 

And because he got into the presidency just as a hobby and by chance.


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  Reply # 1668290 11-Nov-2016 21:39
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If Hillary Clinton had been as honest (non corrupt) as politicians such as Barack Obama, George H Bush, Angela Merkel, Helen Clarke, Norman Kirk, John Key, & pretty much every British & NZ Prime Minister, she would be President Elect right now.  

 

She lost most of the swing states by tiny margins & only has herself and Bill Clinton to blame.    How many scandals could the Tea Party dredge up about Obama?    The answer is nil apart from the crazy birther stuff.    What is the worst scandal Helen Clarke was involved in.

 

The signing of a painting for a charity auction!!    Does not compare with the Clinton Foundation & pay to play.     I have zero sympathy for the Clintons.   

 

  


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  Reply # 1668300 11-Nov-2016 22:05
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I like Mark Steyn's comments here about Trump being a true outsider: "But Trump really did shatter the glass ceiling. We're told that "anyone can grow up to be president", but in practice you have to be a politician or have won the Second World War. Trump is the first non-"public servant" to shatter the glass ceiling. He's proved you can win the presidency without being a Bush or a Clinton or a lifetime member of the political class."

 

Sorry, another great article from Steyn.  I really love his writing:

 

http://www.steynonline.com/7593/when-everyone-hitler-nobody-hitler 

 

In much of western Europe, on all the issues that matter, competitive politics decayed to a rotation of arrogant co-regents of an insular elite, with predictable consequences: if the political culture forbids respectable politicians from raising certain issues, then the electorate will turn to unrespectable ones."

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1668304 11-Nov-2016 22:10
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John Key and Donald Trump should get on well.    They both fly around in Boeing 757's.    Must be some sort of potential for a photo op. for both of them in that!


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  Reply # 1668308 11-Nov-2016 22:20
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John Key and Donald Trump should get on well.    They both fly around in Boeing 757's.    Must be some sort of potential for a photo op. for both of them in that!

 

 

 

 

Trump's appears to work better...!






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  Reply # 1668312 11-Nov-2016 22:28
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Bobdn:

 

http://www.steynonline.com/7592/building-the-wall-shattering-the-ceiling

 

I like Mark Steyn's comments here about Trump being a true outsider: "But Trump really did shatter the glass ceiling. We're told that "anyone can grow up to be president", but in practice you have to be a politician or have won the Second World War. Trump is the first non-"public servant" to shatter the glass ceiling. He's proved you can win the presidency without being a Bush or a Clinton or a lifetime member of the political class."

 

Sorry, another great article from Steyn.  I really love his writing:

 

http://www.steynonline.com/7593/when-everyone-hitler-nobody-hitler 

 

In much of western Europe, on all the issues that matter, competitive politics decayed to a rotation of arrogant co-regents of an insular elite, with predictable consequences: if the political culture forbids respectable politicians from raising certain issues, then the electorate will turn to unrespectable ones."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm +1000 ing that. I've never read his stuff but, boy, what a refreshingly erudite and sensible piece. If only we had people writing like that for NZ papers etc I might actually read them.

 

That bit about transgendered bathrooms made me laugh so loud it woke the dogs!






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  Reply # 1668313 11-Nov-2016 22:29
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Why is it that some people seem to want to denigrate some parts of the US (and to much the same extent UK) electorate because they voted for someone else.

 

I've seen several reports now saying the election result was the result of the "uneducated/blue collar workers" voting for Trump or Brexit, with the inference these people really don't know what they're doing and shouldn't have a vote.  

 

This quote

The British ethologist and author of the book The God Delusion wrote how "the two largest nations in the English-speaking world have just suffered catastrophes at the hands of voters - in both cases the uneducated, anti-intellectual portion of voters".
from here  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11746387 is a good example.

 

How arrogant can some people be?

 

Just because you have some form of higher education doesn't mean you know best.  Just as there are uneducated fools, there are educated fools.

 

I'm reminded of the story of the aircraft with 5 people on board that was about to crash.  There was only 4 parachutes. On board was of course the pilot, an elderly man of the cloth, a rising leader, a young back packer and a recent university graduate.

 

One person was going to miss out on a parachute. It was decided that the rising leader should have a parachute as the country needed people like him, the pilot had a young family so he got a parachute, the university graduate spoke up and made a case for him to have a parachute as well, since he was a brainy highly educated intellectual.

 

That left the back packer and the Minister.  The Minister said to the young backpacker that as he was elderly and had only a short time left to do good in this world and as the backpacker was young and had plenty of time to achieve good things the young backpacker should have the last parachute.

 

The rising leader grabbed a parachute and jumped out, as did the brainy intellectual and the pilot. As the Minister was about to farewell the young backpacker the backpacker handed him a parachute. The Minister protested and told the backpacker he should take it as already agreed, to which the backpacker replied there was no need, as the brains trust had grabbed his backpack and there was a parachute for the both of them. cool

 

 





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  Reply # 1668315 11-Nov-2016 22:29
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The Key word right there- "appears"




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  Reply # 1668365 12-Nov-2016 07:01
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Geektastic:

 

amiga500:

 

John Key and Donald Trump should get on well.    They both fly around in Boeing 757's.    Must be some sort of potential for a photo op. for both of them in that!

 

 

Trump's appears to work better...!

 

 

Donald Trump - Air Force One

 

John Key - Air Farce One


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