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  Reply # 1668465 12-Nov-2016 11:49
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The "he's not my president" protesters are wrong.  He most certainly is their president.  If they continue with the present message, and there's more violence / rioting, they're going to be crushed.  Then when some of the Trump policies come out, there won't be room for credible protest.

 

 

Ironically, Trump would have been out with "she's not my president" banners if he'd lost. Remember the system was apparently rigged against him.


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  Reply # 1668466 12-Nov-2016 11:52
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It's a problem.  Trump could even be impeached if he's found to have engaged in fraud and racketeering. I doubt the democrats would want to push for that unless there's a big change in public sentiment, even then it only gets rid of the ringleader.  The world has changed, and there's nothing much that can be done - for 2 years at least (mid term).


Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.

Trump would also require an understanding with a Republican successor president to avoid prosecution after retirement.

Even bush2 republican cabinet level guys like Cheney were able to make enough threats to avoid investigation when Democrat Pres Obama was considering prosecution. Prosecution of Trump for anything seems unlikely. Having said that, it's all politics and Trump could lose like anyone else. He tends to fail big ; ).

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1668468 12-Nov-2016 11:53
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Fred99:

 

 

 

I'd be very careful before making assumptions about the protestors in general - based on limited media coverage of what some have done.  A few burned cars and tear gas canisters in a nation of 320 million isn't signalling civil war or a revolution.

 

There are also plenty of reports of despicable acts of hate being carried out by some jubilant Trump supporters against blacks, hispanics etc, including on US college campuses, and apparently by "educated" college students.

 

 

Yes I agree, it was only some students - I was referring to the ones in the media clips. Most students and decent everyday citizens have accepted what happened in the election and are not babbling like little snowflakes.

 

If they were Trump supporters, then they need their bloody heads banging together. 


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  Reply # 1668472 12-Nov-2016 12:03
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Fred99:

PhantomNVD:
Fred99:


he's certainly quite the showman and seemed to be ad libbing much of the time. Incredibly, he managed to do it without alienating the hard religious right




FWiW the "hard" religious right didn't all like Trump's racist and isolationist standpoint, but absolutely detested Hillaries 40-week-abortion goal, and the fact that she'd get to appoint 3 Supreme Court justice, who will be serving when the epic Roe vs Wade appeal comes up again soon.

Links to the satanist church (whether or not true) were also suggested, which will always get strong opposition from any faith based voter (Muslim and Jew too).

Basically there wasn't a 'good' candidate for anyone this election, so I think most voted against the worse one (in their opinion) rather than FOR one they liked.


 


You're incredibly deceived if you believe what you're saying here about HRC's "40-week-abortion goal" - which is nothing more than a blatant lie concocted by Trump.  Would you like me to explain in detail why pregnancy termination at longer term (than might be less traumatic to all) is sometimes a medical necessity, or is it better to let pig-ignorant delusional religious zealots dictate to women and medical experts?


It's also remarkable that you'd feel need to qualify the comment on alleged links to the satanist church as "whether or not true", as if there was doubt that it could be anything other than wild, malicious nonsense.


 


 



Angry ranting much?

I didn't vote (btw) so it's not even me you're angry with here...

I daughter to answer a question, not espouse an opinion. Lies were spread on BOTH sides, but many many people were swayed by the media slant that their chosen news media reported, especially as both sides polarised, and I simply commented on some reasons the "far right" have given for making their choice.

I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero, and seem to see no validity in the idea that they may be seen as humans before they are born, so let's leave that alone as we won't agree, and simply agree that many people were led by their own view of morality, and swayed by strong meadow pressure to revile the opponent in BOTH sides of this argument.

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  Reply # 1668474 12-Nov-2016 12:09
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Fred99:

Except for Helen Clarke, who AFAIK always played a fair game, conceding few goals to her opponents during her career.



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Pledge cards and over spending
Paintergate signing artwork you didn't paint
The speeding motorcade
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  Reply # 1668489 12-Nov-2016 12:26
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Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.

 

Yes.

 

But it also depends what Trump does - his support amongst GOP is hardly unanimous - if he turns himself into such a liability that polls started to swing showing that the GOP would be wiped out in mid-term elections, his own party may strike first.

 

Talking above about protests etc, and poor behaviour by some in the anti-Trump movement, it's really a serious strategic mistake if that's allowed to carry on - they need to pull their heads in.  I doubt Trump can hold support - there's far too much press freedom, far too much respect for the constitution - most people are decent people.  I surely hope and expect he'll self-destruct.  But if the anti-Trump movement does become a threat to stability, I have no doubt that Trump will use that to his advantage, isolate and condemn another entire group as "a danger and threat" .


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  Reply # 1668491 12-Nov-2016 12:30
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Fred99:

 

Except for Helen Clarke, who AFAIK always played a fair game, conceding few goals to her opponents during her career.

 



Comes to mind

Pledge cards and over spending
Paintergate signing artwork you didn't paint
The speeding motorcade
Photoshopped placards

 

 

 

Helen Clarke (sic - original mistake not made by me) was goalie for the Black Sticks.

 

Sorry - I should have put the extra "e" in bold/italics.


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  Reply # 1668493 12-Nov-2016 12:32
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Fred99:

 

gzt:
Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.

 

Yes.

 

But it also depends what Trump does - his support amongst GOP is hardly unanimous - if he turns himself into such a liability that polls started to swing showing that the GOP would be wiped out in mid-term elections, his own party may strike first.

 

Talking above about protests etc, and poor behaviour by some in the anti-Trump movement, it's really a serious strategic mistake if that's allowed to carry on - they need to pull their heads in.  I doubt Trump can hold support - there's far too much press freedom, far too much respect for the constitution - most people are decent people.  I surely hope and expect he'll self-destruct.  But if the anti-Trump movement does become a threat to stability, I have no doubt that Trump will use that to his advantage, isolate and condemn another entire group as "a danger and threat" .

 

 

Trump may not be as dumb, he might have a team around him that has decent support from the senate and the house to mediate and do the donkey work.





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  Reply # 1668496 12-Nov-2016 12:37
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joker97:

 

Fred99:

 

gzt:
Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.

 

Yes.

 

But it also depends what Trump does - his support amongst GOP is hardly unanimous - if he turns himself into such a liability that polls started to swing showing that the GOP would be wiped out in mid-term elections, his own party may strike first.

 

Talking above about protests etc, and poor behaviour by some in the anti-Trump movement, it's really a serious strategic mistake if that's allowed to carry on - they need to pull their heads in.  I doubt Trump can hold support - there's far too much press freedom, far too much respect for the constitution - most people are decent people.  I surely hope and expect he'll self-destruct.  But if the anti-Trump movement does become a threat to stability, I have no doubt that Trump will use that to his advantage, isolate and condemn another entire group as "a danger and threat" .

 

 

Trump may not be as dumb, he might have a team around him that has decent support from the senate and the house to mediate and do the donkey work.

 

 

IMHO he will just be a figurehead. Every idea he has, dumb or serious, the team will tell him the 38 reasons why not. He may have gaffes. State stuff then backtrack, I can see that  a lot as his mouth runs ahead of what his team tell him what can and cannot be done. Then it will all become obvious when his oration rarely turns into action. 


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  Reply # 1668497 12-Nov-2016 12:38
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PhantomNVD:

 

I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero,.

 

 

 

You saw nothing of the sort.  I'm very uncomfortable to even begin a rational discussion on the topic, when it's very very clear even if just from the very words you use above, what your views are, and what you've chosen to take from what I've said.  Especially categorising my scientifically supported and well accepted views on that subject as "far left". 

 

 


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  Reply # 1668504 12-Nov-2016 12:55
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

IMHO he will just be a figurehead.

 

 

Donald has all the answers, it's been very much about him in everything he's done, he's a "hands on" kind of guy.

 

I can't see him sitting back taking policy advice or being told what to say.


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  Reply # 1668507 12-Nov-2016 13:01
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Fred99:

PhantomNVD:


I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero,
so let's leave that alone as we won't agree, and simply agree that many people were led by their own view of morality, and swayed by strong media pressure to revile the opponent in BOTH sides of this argument..


 


You saw nothing of the sort.  I'm very uncomfortable to even begin a rational discussion on the topic, when it's very very clear even if just from the very words you use above, what your views are, and what you've chosen to take from what I've said.  Especially categorising my scientifically supported and well accepted views on that subject as "far left". 


 


At least use ALL the relevant quote?

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  Reply # 1668518 12-Nov-2016 13:21
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tdgeek:

joker97:


Fred99:


gzt:
Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.


Yes.


But it also depends what Trump does - his support amongst GOP is hardly unanimous - if he turns himself into such a liability that polls started to swing showing that the GOP would be wiped out in mid-term elections, his own party may strike first.


Talking above about protests etc, and poor behaviour by some in the anti-Trump movement, it's really a serious strategic mistake if that's allowed to carry on - they need to pull their heads in.  I doubt Trump can hold support - there's far too much press freedom, far too much respect for the constitution - most people are decent people.  I surely hope and expect he'll self-destruct.  But if the anti-Trump movement does become a threat to stability, I have no doubt that Trump will use that to his advantage, isolate and condemn another entire group as "a danger and threat" .



Trump may not be as dumb, he might have a team around him that has decent support from the senate and the house to mediate and do the donkey work.



IMHO he will just be a figurehead. Every idea he has, dumb or serious, the team will tell him the 38 reasons why not. He may have gaffes. State stuff then backtrack, I can see that  a lot as his mouth runs ahead of what his team tell him what can and cannot be done. Then it will all become obvious when his oration rarely turns into action. 



They're all figureheads. President has very little power. Read up about what happens to presidents that suggest things like moving away from Rothschild federal reserve onto a gold backed system.

Democracy is an illusion to make people think they're in control

Want to control 300MM people? Divide them in half and have them fight each other instead of their puppet master elitist overlords.

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Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

IMHO he will just be a figurehead.

 

 

Donald has all the answers, it's been very much about him in everything he's done, he's a "hands on" kind of guy.

 

I can't see him sitting back taking policy advice or being told what to say.

 

 

I disagree. Others tend to have a political background, so are far more versed in topics. He has zero experience. And aside from his persona, he will need to be guided. But when conversations happen it will go over his head. Not that he has no brains, but many political conversations have so much depth and breadth and effects, he will have to be guided, and I believe told what to do. Honestly, I can see his presidency being a team of presidents, with him the only one with the title that officiates. What will he do when he meets other leaders? Particularly other leaders of controversial nations or issues. He will be like any one of us here meeting them. Best intentions but over our head. Clearly, all leaders have a team of advisors, they cant know everything. But he knows so little, his advisors wont be advising they will be running the show.

 

Haven't heard much from him since. Not that he is expected to speak publicly every 8 minutes, but I would have expected some gracious and meaningful contact with the nation. Small stuff, just seeking engagement. But I imagine he is following his other presidents around, i.e. his team, and doing and saying or not saying what he's told.

 

Take a top CEO. They can run any company as its about leading and getting the right people working hard, plus a CEO will have a very good grounding in financials, and marketing. But no need to know bugger al about the products. But as a President he lacks everything. He wont know jack sh%t about running a country financially, and the many core issues at hand, let alone internationally, as regards trade, wars, issues of concern, immigration. He knows how to sell.

 

I fully respect his success, his drive, his deal making ability, but Trump Inc. isn't the current World superpower. 


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PhantomNVD:
Fred99:

 

PhantomNVD:

 

 

 

I see you jumped straight to the far left "medical reasons" excuse for killing children in utero,
so let's leave that alone as we won't agree, and simply agree that many people were led by their own view of morality, and swayed by strong media pressure to revile the opponent in BOTH sides of this argument..

 

You saw nothing of the sort.  I'm very uncomfortable to even begin a rational discussion on the topic, when it's very very clear even if just from the very words you use above, what your views are, and what you've chosen to take from what I've said.  Especially categorising my scientifically supported and well accepted views on that subject as "far left". 

 

 

 

At least use ALL the relevant quote?

 

 

 

No I don't agree - I selectively quoted deliberately - there aren't "both sides" to that argument as one side is a total lie.  I'm not accepting moral/religious dogma as relevant, and I find your use of the words "killing children in utero" as a broad brush to describe late term pregnancy termination to be deeply offensive and insensitive to the feelings of anybody who may have experienced the reality of what is a dreadful tragedy. Trying to score political points from that truly stinks, it's inexcusable - and it was what Trump did.  He is evil.  Truly.


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