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  Reply # 1668537 12-Nov-2016 13:46
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I am inclined to think that Trump probably won't listen to anyone. He has shown himself to be a vainglorious egomaniac who shoots from the hip. The fact that he has won against everyone else's advice and expectation will only reinforce his sense of infallibility. He will do whatever his momentary impulse dictates and consequences be damned. That is only one of things that really scares me about a Trump Presidency. Our only hope is that he does go too far sooner rather than later and gets reigned in by his own people.

 

 





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  Reply # 1668540 12-Nov-2016 13:53
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Disclaimer: The below are not my personal political views, just my read (in a very general way) on what transpired in the US election.

 

How did he do so well? I think what Trump did was mobilise a recently disaffected demographic.

 

There are huge chunks of 'the majority' who are marginalised by the political system. People ultimately don't vote for facts or figures or really even for policy.  They vote for narratives and for self interest.  Trump gave a huge, ignored and often maligned demographic a narrative and legitimised their self interest.

 

There are tens of millions of people in the US who are struggling. People who didn't used to struggle. People 'white (male) privilege' really hasn't delivered for lately.  They are taken for granted by educated liberal politicians.  Presidents Clinton and Obama delivered nothing for these people.

 

Why wouldn't they vote for the outsider?  Why not dismiss the hate-speech as rhetoric and vote Trump?  Sure, it's a 'hail-mary', but how much worse could their lives of 'white (male) privilege' get?

 

For these people it's much simpler than *phobia or an *ism.  It's self interest and struggle.  Drowning people don't think about others.





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  Reply # 1668547 12-Nov-2016 14:06
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Why in God's name would disaffected marginalised "losers" choose a billionaire messiah who runs beauty pageants, routinely abuses "losers" - for being "losers", and flies around the USA in a gold-plated Boeing 757?

 

 


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  Reply # 1668548 12-Nov-2016 14:09
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Rikkitic:

 

I am inclined to think that Trump probably won't listen to anyone. He has shown himself to be a vainglorious egomaniac who shoots from the hip. The fact that he has won against everyone else's advice and expectation will only reinforce his sense of infallibility. He will do whatever his momentary impulse dictates and consequences be damned. That is only one of things that really scares me about a Trump Presidency. Our only hope is that he does go too far sooner rather than later and gets reigned in by his own people.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1668549 12-Nov-2016 14:10
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Putin my not be around much longer.


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  Reply # 1668550 12-Nov-2016 14:13
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I wasn't going to say anything more here but.

 

Democracy means folks get to vote for whom they want, does not make them a loser. In an election there is a winner and loser that's it. Sometimes you are in the winning camp other times you are in the losing camp, that's life. If folks cant deal with that then move to a country that does not have democracy. What happened in the USA is "Government of the people, by the people, for the people" in action.





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  Reply # 1668551 12-Nov-2016 14:13
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I have to smile every time I hear the "Drain the Swamp" line.
Reminds me of the saying "When you are up to your a$$ in alligators it's hard to remember the original idea was to drain the Swamp".
Funny if all they find after draining the swamp is a couple of rusty prams and some fish flapping around in the mud.....




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  Reply # 1668552 12-Nov-2016 14:17
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cynnicallemon:

 

Putin my not be around much longer.

 

 

 

 

With an official "approval rating" approaching 90%, at least he'd be going out on a high note.

 

What makes you think he won't be around much longer?  He doesn't seem like the "retiring type" to me.


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  Reply # 1668555 12-Nov-2016 14:24
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What makes you think he won't be around much longer?  He doesn't seem like the "retiring type" to me.

 

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731307/Vladimir-Putin-resign-Russian-president-quit

 

 


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  Reply # 1668559 12-Nov-2016 14:32
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 If that report was in a real newspaper, I might be prepared to pay some attention to it. I see a clickbait link next to the main story claiming that Clinton could still end up President. Yeah, Right.

 

 





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  Reply # 1668561 12-Nov-2016 14:34
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And a real newspaper is, in your expert opinion?


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  Reply # 1668562 12-Nov-2016 14:36
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A bit closer to a real newspaper - reporting the same, kind of:

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-returns-but-ill-health-rumours-continue-over-pale-puffy-and-sweaty-face-10111646.html

 

A very interesting collection of wild speculation.  Still, we're all mortal.


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  Reply # 1668565 12-Nov-2016 14:39
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cynnicallemon:

 

And a real newspaper is, in your expert opinion?

 

 

Pretty much every newspaper that shows this leading story, but I cant see any that do


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  Reply # 1668568 12-Nov-2016 14:42
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Indeed we are all mortal.

 

I think The Independent isn't as good as it was when it was first launched. That was my first task of the day, across to the newsagents for a copy of it and read it during breakfast.


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  Reply # 1668569 12-Nov-2016 14:43
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Dingbatt: I have to smile every time I hear the "Drain the Swamp" line.
Reminds me of the saying "When you are up to your a$$ in alligators it's hard to remember the original idea was to drain the Swamp".
Funny if all they find after draining the swamp is a couple of rusty prams and some fish flapping around in the mud.....

 

A friend of mine works for EPA in DC, and from what I gather from facebook posts, he's got a swamp-dwelling feeling going on.  After dedicating his career to protecting the environment, he's surprised to learn from his new leader that the environment doesn't need protection..  What a waste of a PhD - he had such talent - could have used his skills to build weapons.


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