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  Reply # 1668629 12-Nov-2016 16:02
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Fred99:

 

Why in God's name would disaffected marginalised "losers" choose a billionaire messiah who runs beauty pageants, routinely abuses "losers" - for being "losers", and flies around the USA in a gold-plated Boeing 757?

 

 

This is something I still can't understand. People in the lower demographics claim Trump is not part of the establishment. He's a billionaire, real estate investor that lives a life of kings and these people think he'll help them?

 

Tell me in four years.

 



I don't think logic came into it much. These people in the rust belt and other poor areas, were so disinfrancnised with the democratic system, they they were wanting to vote for anyone but the status quo. Exactly the same with Brexit. They may come out and then say, we didnt want to vote for that, etc if we had known. But that is too late. Perhaps Brexit wasn't all that well covered in the media in the US.

 

Agree but ...

 

60 million people voted for Trump - they can't all have been "in the rust belt and other poor areas".

 

Like freitasm, I find Trump's popularity completely incomprehensible ...





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  Reply # 1668631 12-Nov-2016 16:04
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Well it looks like Trump may not make it to the White House. Seems like Katy Perry is calling for a revolution...

 

Perry for President, maybe Miley for Vice.

 

 

Actually - looking ahead:

 

Michelle Obama / Kanye West as the two main ticket head liners.

 

kanye - a self made billionaire / millionaire  / broke as a 2 bob watch  - black man, has already indicated his intention to run to much derision and laughter a couple of years back.

 

Michelle Obama  - bright, friendly, photo genic and frankly a direct opposite for those will be ready to hurl trump from office.

 

If anyone had any sense they would nominate Oprah - a black self made woman, who escaped slavery after working her ass off for a mean rich master, direct descendent of Kunta Kintay - an opressed balck man who was self made too - who knows how to run reality TV, is Sooo in touch with the disaffected, is loved by celebrities, has met most of the worlds leaders, has written hundreds of successful books 9 well maybe a couple) nad knows how t handle money nad a huge empire.

 

She's working class, upper class, honest, philanthropic, reality TV experienced ( will wipe the floor with Trump in that area) is a great manager and really really knows how to connect. Perfect nominee.

 

 





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  Reply # 1668633 12-Nov-2016 16:04
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I am wondering if there should be a separate thread on the very thorny subject of abortion, or if that part of the discussion should be stopped altogether. Although it certainly makes up a relevant aspect of Trump's election, it is actually a separate issue and one that arouses strong passions. It might be better to keep the two apart so this thread can continue to focus on the election itself.

 

 





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  Reply # 1668640 12-Nov-2016 16:17
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nunz:

 

 

 

Fred - using rhetoric like " one side is a total lie" means you will not be taken seriously.

 

There is no rational argument that says a child that has crowned or is birthed feet first up to the navel is about a womans body. it is literally 5 seconds away from complete detachment and even if killed the woman goes through the same process - completing the birth. ditto - in utero 40 week killings through injecting a substance or performing an action designed to terminate th elife of the child. the woman stil has to give birth / c-section - the only difference is a dead child in stead of a live one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That wasn't rhetoric - it was absolutely a lie in context of the presidential debate. I don't care if you don't take me seriously.

 

I have no idea how you've come up with what I've snipped as second paragraph above. It was never part of the debate, and quite a repulsive thing to bring in to discussion. Crazy irrelevant off-topic stuff you should talk about elsewhere.


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  Reply # 1668641 12-Nov-2016 16:18
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I am wondering if there should be a separate thread on the very thorny subject of abortion, or if that part of the discussion should be stopped altogether. Although it certainly makes up a relevant aspect of Trump's election, it is actually a separate issue and one that arouses strong passions. It might be better to keep the two apart so this thread can continue to focus on the election itself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No - it's worse than Godwins.


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  Reply # 1668653 12-Nov-2016 16:41
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nunz:

 

cynnicallemon:

 

Well it looks like Trump may not make it to the White House. Seems like Katy Perry is calling for a revolution...

 

Perry for President, maybe Miley for Vice.

 

 

Actually - looking ahead:

 

Michelle Obama / Kanye West as the two main ticket head liners.

 

kanye - a self made billionaire / millionaire  / broke as a 2 bob watch  - black man, has already indicated his intention to run to much derision and laughter a couple of years back.

 

Michelle Obama  - bright, friendly, photo genic and frankly a direct opposite for those will be ready to hurl trump from office.

 

If anyone had any sense they would nominate Oprah - a black self made woman, who escaped slavery after working her ass off for a mean rich master, direct descendent of Kunta Kintay - an opressed balck man who was self made too - who knows how to run reality TV, is Sooo in touch with the disaffected, is loved by celebrities, has met most of the worlds leaders, has written hundreds of successful books 9 well maybe a couple) nad knows how t handle money nad a huge empire.

 

She's working class, upper class, honest, philanthropic, reality TV experienced ( will wipe the floor with Trump in that area) is a great manager and really really knows how to connect. Perfect nominee.

 

 

 

 

Could you really trust Oprah for president?

 

Isn't this the same Oprah that endorsed the Microsoft Surface Tablet via her iPad?

 

I prefer this endorsement.

 

 


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  Reply # 1668654 12-Nov-2016 16:41
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/youll-likely-be-reading-one-of-these-5-articles-the-day-after-the-election/

 

 

 

Well, David Wasserman got five shots at this and got it right on number five, except that he said Trump would get New Hampshire.    Instead he got Michigan.

 

Even though Michigan has not been finalised due to some vote checking process Trump is about 13000 votes ahead.


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  Reply # 1668655 12-Nov-2016 16:42
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Fred99:

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Fred - using rhetoric like " one side is a total lie" means you will not be taken seriously.


 



 


That wasn't rhetoric - it was absolutely a lie in context of the presidential debate. I don't care if you don't take me seriously.



https://youtu.be/XKp3k_8h8Qc Hilary said it on live TV, during the presidential debate, how can it be a "total lie in the context of the presidential debate"?

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  Reply # 1669663 12-Nov-2016 17:26
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I'm not sure I understand what is being argued about here. I saw the debate and have just watched the clip several times. As far as I can determine, Hillary is just arguing that the health and welfare of the woman should be paramount. All the stuff about her supporting or advocating the termination of babies in the process of being born is just hysterical hyperbole, or a total lie as Fred99 says.

 

 





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  Reply # 1669667 12-Nov-2016 17:30
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I am not saying he IS the saviour, but I can tell you that he isn't part of the "political" establishment the way Clinton, Bush, Obama are. I do believe he wants to help the US be better, whether he can, different story. 

 

Being a Billionaire, investor or even a sleaze doesn't automatically proclude you from having ideas that may help.

 

Again, not saying he is the answer, but some of his ideas have some merit. Even some of his whacky ones have SOME basis of merit. For example, he doesn't JUST want a wall, he wants a wall, and faster and more efficient processing of people wanting to immigrate from Mexico. 

 

Time will tell, I suspect he never expected to get this far, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a "health" event that causes him to need to step down, in which case his VP (A career politician) would take over.

 

 

But that's the thing. He actually didn't say anything. He just kept repeating "Only I can fix it" but when asked for plans, ideas he would regurgitate "I will destroy ISIS"...





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  Reply # 1669668 12-Nov-2016 17:31
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Rikkitic:

 

CNN says the protests are spreading. If you believe CNN.

 

 

 

 

I certainly do, I like CNN. Spreading, not sure, as they are nationwide, and are in action for the third night running


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  Reply # 1669681 12-Nov-2016 17:47
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Sideface:

 

 

 

Agree but ...

 

60 million people voted for Trump - they can't all have been "in the rust belt and other poor areas".

 

Like freitasm, I find Trump's popularity completely incomprehensible ...

 

 

You also would have had a lot of them that would have voted for republican anyway, no matter who the leader was. A lot of those areas would never vote democrat. His problem is that a lot of his party don't seem to like him anyway. So I wonder if he is going to struggle with his own party and VP. You don't get the impression during his speech after he had won, that they are great friends. He thanked him right at the end, almost as an after thought. I looks like it is going to be very much a family affair as much as possible by the looks of it, which is fine if that is the way he wants to do it.

 

That said, I believe more actual people actually voted for Hillary anyway. It is just the way the US is divided up, which meant he won more states. So based on that, you could argue that based on the people vote, people wanted Hillary. To me, it does seem odd though, that in a democracy, even though she got more people voting for her, she didn't get in. But that is the system they work with over there.


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  Reply # 1669695 12-Nov-2016 18:24
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I thought the antics have subsided for Trump. Seems not

 

"Now your children, whose main fiduciary responsibility is enhancing those businesses, that they are going to be involved in picking people for positions in the administration that will affect those interests - that worries me," said Norm Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a longtime observer of government."


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  Reply # 1669700 12-Nov-2016 18:30
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freitasm:

 

networkn:

 

I am not saying he IS the saviour, but I can tell you that he isn't part of the "political" establishment the way Clinton, Bush, Obama are. I do believe he wants to help the US be better, whether he can, different story. 

 

Being a Billionaire, investor or even a sleaze doesn't automatically proclude you from having ideas that may help.

 

Again, not saying he is the answer, but some of his ideas have some merit. Even some of his whacky ones have SOME basis of merit. For example, he doesn't JUST want a wall, he wants a wall, and faster and more efficient processing of people wanting to immigrate from Mexico. 

 

Time will tell, I suspect he never expected to get this far, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a "health" event that causes him to need to step down, in which case his VP (A career politician) would take over.

 

 

But that's the thing. He actually didn't say anything. He just kept repeating "Only I can fix it" but when asked for plans, ideas he would regurgitate "I will destroy ISIS"...

 

 

 

 

I don't agree with that. He had a "first 100 days in office" plan. He may not have specifics (in some instances), but he does have goals. Some of those (like with Obama and Gitmo) won't be possible because he will soon have information about the country he has never had before. Clinton was pretty vague on her plans too. 

 

I suspect a lot of his bravado is going to disappear as both the realization of what's required to be President, and because he is about to have the snot scared out of him by daily security briefings that only the top 6 security people in the US get. 

 

I recall but can't find video, of footage of Obama after his first such security briefing and how worried and ashen he looked. I also recall hearing GWB vomited after or during his. Not sure where I heard that, but I can believe it. 


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  Reply # 1669705 12-Nov-2016 18:34
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I thought the antics have subsided for Trump. Seems not

 

"Now your children, whose main fiduciary responsibility is enhancing those businesses, that they are going to be involved in picking people for positions in the administration that will affect those interests - that worries me," said Norm Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a longtime observer of government."

 

 


Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I agree it doesn't exactly sound ideal, but /me shrugs. 

 

 


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