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  Reply # 1669706 12-Nov-2016 18:42
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For the record, the donation to the Charity of MF's choosing has now been made. (The result of having bet Clinton would easily win the Electoral Vote and become President) :)


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  Reply # 1669709 12-Nov-2016 18:50
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  Reply # 1669710 12-Nov-2016 19:01
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networkn:

 

freitasm:

 

networkn:

 

I am not saying he IS the saviour, but I can tell you that he isn't part of the "political" establishment the way Clinton, Bush, Obama are. I do believe he wants to help the US be better, whether he can, different story. 

 

Being a Billionaire, investor or even a sleaze doesn't automatically proclude you from having ideas that may help.

 

Again, not saying he is the answer, but some of his ideas have some merit. Even some of his whacky ones have SOME basis of merit. For example, he doesn't JUST want a wall, he wants a wall, and faster and more efficient processing of people wanting to immigrate from Mexico. 

 

Time will tell, I suspect he never expected to get this far, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him have a "health" event that causes him to need to step down, in which case his VP (A career politician) would take over.

 

 

But that's the thing. He actually didn't say anything. He just kept repeating "Only I can fix it" but when asked for plans, ideas he would regurgitate "I will destroy ISIS"...

 

 

 

 

I don't agree with that. He had a "first 100 days in office" plan. He may not have specifics (in some instances), but he does have goals. Some of those (like with Obama and Gitmo) won't be possible because he will soon have information about the country he has never had before. Clinton was pretty vague on her plans too. 

 

I suspect a lot of his bravado is going to disappear as both the realization of what's required to be President, and because he is about to have the snot scared out of him by daily security briefings that only the top 6 security people in the US get. 

 

I recall but can't find video, of footage of Obama after his first such security briefing and how worried and ashen he looked. I also recall hearing GWB vomited after or during his. Not sure where I heard that, but I can believe it. 

 

 

This was also said on CNN post election. Mouth dropped, IIRC


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  Reply # 1669719 12-Nov-2016 19:08
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I thought the antics have subsided for Trump. Seems not

 

"Now your children, whose main fiduciary responsibility is enhancing those businesses, that they are going to be involved in picking people for positions in the administration that will affect those interests - that worries me," said Norm Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a longtime observer of government."

 

 

This really terrifies me.  What if that becomes the norm in liberal democracies?

 

<thinks af Max Key and shudders>


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  Reply # 1669720 12-Nov-2016 19:09
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For the record, the donation to the Charity of MF's choosing has now been made. (The result of having bet Clinton would easily win the Electoral Vote and become President) :)

 

 

 

 

Thank you.


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  Reply # 1669751 12-Nov-2016 19:41
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Now this is starting to get a bit nuts:

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/trump-supporters-protesters-clash-at-aucklands-aotea-square/

 

A clash between pro/anti Trump supporters in Auckland?

 

There may be a time when (peaceful) protesting does become appropriate - if the US ends up committing atrocities - hopefully not.  "Rent a mob" protests now would be counter-productive to any future efforts to "send a message" - not that I'd expect the US to take any particular notice anyway. 


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  Reply # 1669762 12-Nov-2016 20:05
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Now this is starting to get a bit nuts:

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/trump-supporters-protesters-clash-at-aucklands-aotea-square/

 

 

 

 

Yes indeed, was reading this about 10 minutes ago myself and I started laughing at the video - it looked more like a comedy act.

 

Well at least Warren Buffet was a loser and winner this week, I found that just as amusing.


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  Reply # 1669767 12-Nov-2016 20:14
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Fred99:

 

networkn:

 

For the record, the donation to the Charity of MF's choosing has now been made. (The result of having bet Clinton would easily win the Electoral Vote and become President) :)

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

At least someone benefited from Trump being elected :) 

 

Let's hope for everyone's sakes it's not just them!

 

To be fair, if HALF of what he says he can get done, he can get done, he would be one of the most successful Presidents of my life-time. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1669769 12-Nov-2016 20:23
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Now this is starting to get a bit nuts:

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/trump-supporters-protesters-clash-at-aucklands-aotea-square/

 

A clash between pro/anti Trump supporters in Auckland?

 

There may be a time when (peaceful) protesting does become appropriate - if the US ends up committing atrocities - hopefully not.  "Rent a mob" protests now would be counter-productive to any future efforts to "send a message" - not that I'd expect the US to take any particular notice anyway. 

 

 

 

 

These look like Kiwi's and to be honest it's freaking disgraceful. 

 

Trump hasn't DONE anything yet except make a few offensive comments and promise some stuff. We have NO right to protest at this point, and if it was a Kiwi burning a US flag, well I am honestly lost for words. 

 

I can't think of one thing that gives us the right to burn another countries flag over an election result. 


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  Reply # 1669771 12-Nov-2016 20:41
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networkn:

 

 

 

These look like Kiwi's and to be honest it's freaking disgraceful. 

 

I can't think of one thing that gives us the right to burn another countries flag over an election result. 

 

 

It looked like the local Communist Party considering all the bits of red I saw. 

 

Speaking to some American friends just now, they're less bothered with seeing their flag burn here than on their own soil. All the same, they said it was a pity.

 

It's happening around the globe in small pockets.


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  Reply # 1669773 12-Nov-2016 21:09
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This article (and by extension Michael Moore) have made a lot of sense. 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11746983

 

 

 

I agree with his about Democrats who aren't prepared to fight tooth and nail for 8 years. I don't disagree with all of Trumps policies, but the Democrats need to sit up and note that Hillary won the Popular vote, and therefore they have a mandate to fight tooth and nail to stop Trump doing what the majority disagree with. I am sort of half expecting Trump to not complete a term or not challenge for a second term at the worst, but honestly I am unsure if the VP is better. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1669806 12-Nov-2016 21:44
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Michael Moore, say no more...


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  Reply # 1669807 12-Nov-2016 21:45
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nathan:
tdgeek:

joker97:


Fred99:


gzt:
Are both houses now majority Republican? Impeachment seems unlikely if that is the case. Even so the threat of impeachment seems fairly useful to the Republican party.


Yes.


But it also depends what Trump does - his support amongst GOP is hardly unanimous - if he turns himself into such a liability that polls started to swing showing that the GOP would be wiped out in mid-term elections, his own party may strike first.


Talking above about protests etc, and poor behaviour by some in the anti-Trump movement, it's really a serious strategic mistake if that's allowed to carry on - they need to pull their heads in.  I doubt Trump can hold support - there's far too much press freedom, far too much respect for the constitution - most people are decent people.  I surely hope and expect he'll self-destruct.  But if the anti-Trump movement does become a threat to stability, I have no doubt that Trump will use that to his advantage, isolate and condemn another entire group as "a danger and threat" .



Trump may not be as dumb, he might have a team around him that has decent support from the senate and the house to mediate and do the donkey work.



IMHO he will just be a figurehead. Every idea he has, dumb or serious, the team will tell him the 38 reasons why not. He may have gaffes. State stuff then backtrack, I can see that  a lot as his mouth runs ahead of what his team tell him what can and cannot be done. Then it will all become obvious when his oration rarely turns into action. 



They're all figureheads. President has very little power. Read up about what happens to presidents that suggest things like moving away from Rothschild federal reserve onto a gold backed system.

Democracy is an illusion to make people think they're in control

Want to control 300MM people? Divide them in half and have them fight each other instead of their puppet master elitist overlords.

Holy crap! The 'Rothschild federal reserve' ?

Is that an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?

https://www.quora.com/Do-the-Rothschilds-own-the-Fed

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  Reply # 1669812 12-Nov-2016 22:13
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cynnicallemon:

 

Michael Moore, say no more...

 

 

 

 

I'm hardly his biggest fan, however, a lot of what he says above makes plenty of sense. Some of it, at least for me, it has believability.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1669813 12-Nov-2016 22:15
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tdgeek: What will he do when he meets other leaders? Particularly other leaders of controversial nations or issues.

Sell a hotel or two I expect. Make some deals.

Trip over toes, fall flat on face, try and bluster his way out of it.

Unfortunately there is no chapter 11 in international relations.

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