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  Reply # 1669815 12-Nov-2016 22:16
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Holy crap! The 'Rothschild federal reserve' ?

Is this an anti-semitic conspiracy theory?

 


https://www.quora.com/Do-the-Rothschilds-own-the-Fed

 

 

 

I found that quite enlightening, thanks. (Not that I had thoughts that the Rothschild family controlled the Fed, but at least I know more about it now. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1669820 12-Nov-2016 22:24
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networkn:

 

I recall but can't find video, of footage of Obama after his first such security briefing and how worried and ashen he looked. I also recall hearing GWB vomited after or during his. Not sure where I heard that, but I can believe it. 

 

 

That must have been when they were told about the alien mothership in Jupiter's orbit.

 

 





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  Reply # 1669821 12-Nov-2016 22:25
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tdgeek: What will he do when he meets other leaders? Particularly other leaders of controversial nations or issues.

Unfortunately there is no chapter 11 in international relations.

 

It's called the IMF.


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  Reply # 1669828 12-Nov-2016 22:50
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gzt:
tdgeek: What will he do when he meets other leaders? Particularly other leaders of controversial nations or issues.

Unfortunately there is no chapter 11 in international relations.

 

It's called the IMF.

 

 

 

 

Your mission, should you choose to accept it....






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  Reply # 1669829 12-Nov-2016 22:55
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Fred99:

 

Now this is starting to get a bit nuts:

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/trump-supporters-protesters-clash-at-aucklands-aotea-square/

 

A clash between pro/anti Trump supporters in Auckland?

 

There may be a time when (peaceful) protesting does become appropriate - if the US ends up committing atrocities - hopefully not.  "Rent a mob" protests now would be counter-productive to any future efforts to "send a message" - not that I'd expect the US to take any particular notice anyway. 

 

 

 

 

These look like Kiwi's and to be honest it's freaking disgraceful. 

 

Trump hasn't DONE anything yet except make a few offensive comments and promise some stuff. We have NO right to protest at this point, and if it was a Kiwi burning a US flag, well I am honestly lost for words. 

 

I can't think of one thing that gives us the right to burn another countries flag over an election result. 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, I am not sure what right we have to protest at all. He's not our President, we did not elect him etc etc.

 

Unless he does something especially damaging to NZ I can't see what business it is of ours. Protesting by waving placards etc is so facile anyway - a bigger waste of time it is hard to imagine.

 

In any case most New Zealanders should love him - the WSJ carries the headline today that TPP is dead in the water and I know a lot of the head in the sand lot wanted that killed off so now he's effectively helped their cause. Bet that made them choke on their tofu.






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  Reply # 1669833 12-Nov-2016 23:01
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

To be honest, I am not sure what right we have to protest at all. He's not our President, we did not elect him etc etc.

 

Unless he does something especially damaging to NZ I can't see what business it is of ours. Protesting by waving placards etc is so facile anyway - a bigger waste of time it is hard to imagine.

 

In any case most New Zealanders should love him - the WSJ carries the headline today that TPP is dead in the water and I know a lot of the head in the sand lot wanted that killed off so now he's effectively helped their cause. Bet that made them choke on their tofu.

 

 

I agree, it's WAY to early to protest (if you were to at all), there are no signs of the election being rigged etc. 

 

I doubt many Ex Pats would bother, and I agree, sign waving, big waste of time.

 

 


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  Reply # 1669891 13-Nov-2016 08:57
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Sideface:

 

60 million people voted for Trump - they can't all have been "in the rust belt and other poor areas".

 

Like freitasm, I find Trump's popularity completely incomprehensible ...

 

 

You can see in maps that are less granular than States that Trump won nearly every county throughout the US... the exceptions were the large cities.

 

I think part of it is that, unlike NZ where the left wing tends to be poor and people-centred and the right-wing rich and business-centred, in the US the Republican party is the home of the working class, whereas the Democrats are rich liberals. Trump has very successfully tapped into this connection.

 

 


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  Reply # 1669897 13-Nov-2016 09:12
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Most of the comment says Hilary Clinton will win, most of the statistics said Hilarry Clinton will win.

 

 

 

But, finally she lost. I still don't get that. How come Mr. Donald Trump won the presidency after all this.

 

Can anybody explain this o me? All I see is that, no matter who they support the crowd said Hilary Clinton will win. 


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  Reply # 1669901 13-Nov-2016 09:19
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Jimmyshergal:

 

Most of the comment says Hilary Clinton will win, most of the statistics said Hilarry Clinton will win.

 

 

 

But, finally she lost. I still don't get that. How come Mr. Donald Trump won the presidency after all this.

 

Can anybody explain this o me? All I see is that, no matter who they support the crowd said Hilary Clinton will win. 

 

 

Umm ... most people said AB would beat Ireland of all people. Right? Wrong.

 

One of the many Reasons (no I'm not expert but I do know a thing or two about stats and sampling)

 

You hire people to do a poll. Who will they pick to poll? People with iphones? People with Linknd accounts? People who are tech savvy? Or the farmers in rural America? The Western Baptist who don't do social media/use technology? The people who aren't listed on the white pages because they're too poor, the unseen, the invisible in society? Each of those have one vote. Same number of vote as a lawyer or Bill Gates. One.





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  Reply # 1669903 13-Nov-2016 09:24
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Geektastic:

 

networkn:

 

 

 

These look like Kiwi's and to be honest it's freaking disgraceful. 

 

Trump hasn't DONE anything yet except make a few offensive comments and promise some stuff. We have NO right to protest at this point, and if it was a Kiwi burning a US flag, well I am honestly lost for words. 

 

I can't think of one thing that gives us the right to burn another countries flag over an election result. 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, I am not sure what right we have to protest at all. He's not our President, we did not elect him etc etc.

 

Unless he does something especially damaging to NZ I can't see what business it is of ours. Protesting by waving placards etc is so facile anyway - a bigger waste of time it is hard to imagine.

 

In any case most New Zealanders should love him - the WSJ carries the headline today that TPP is dead in the water and I know a lot of the head in the sand lot wanted that killed off so now he's effectively helped their cause. Bet that made them choke on their tofu.

 

 

 

 

How ridiculous.  Of course we've got every right to protest anything we like.

 

Trump has made "a few" offensive comments?  Oh dear - did you miss the fact that he just spent a couple of years doing little else but to make offensive comments?  Perhaps if you're white, male, and middle class, they whizzed right past you and you didn't notice.

 

I don't agree that a trigger point for action should be "Unless he does something especially damaging to NZ".  Al Qaeda and ISIS did nothing to NZ.

 

(Hopefully) without invoking Godwins "head in the sand" should perhaps be thought about in terms of how dangerous nationalist political movements could metastasize globally.  That was only stopped in it's tracks when a few leaders (one in particular) pulled a nations head out of the sand, and at great cost, took a stand.  If heads had been pulled out of the sand a decade earlier, there may have been no need.

 

Trump's nationalist movement does have ramifications outside the USA.  Direct threats to "put America's interest first" which sounds terrific as a headline - but not so good when details include reneging on bi and multilateral agreements, and threatening to use economic might to crush countries who'd done well by free trade.  Legitimising and emboldening far-right movements outside the USA, the Le Pens and Pauline Hansons are rejoicing. 


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  Reply # 1669913 13-Nov-2016 09:30
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One can say all one likes from the viewpoint of an outsider. Or an elite American. Or where-ever we are based or think.

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites. They'd rather have anything else but. Shown the middle finger. Gave Trump a chance to stuff the elites around. Another camp are sick of the the social divide and structure. Trump preached to them like a messiah, god send, holier than the other black man. Another camp are sick of the threat of extremists. Trump promises to wipe them out using whatever means. 

 

When you look at all these the result makes sense.





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  Reply # 1669924 13-Nov-2016 09:36
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joker97:

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites.

 

 

 

 

How many times in this thread does that crop up.  It is wrong.

 

If the American people didn't want to be ruled by elites, then they wouldn't have elected a billionaire who flies over them in a gold-plated 757.

 

They elected Trump because he played to their fears.  Xenophobic and ignorant, but that's what happened.

 

 


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  Reply # 1669926 13-Nov-2016 09:36
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How can anyone with even the IQ of a grass-eating goat possibly think that a billionaire who doesn't pay taxes is not part of the elite? 

 

 





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  Reply # 1669927 13-Nov-2016 09:37
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Fred99:

 

joker97:

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites.

 

 

 

 

How many times in this thread does that crop up.  It is wrong.

 

If the American people didn't want to be ruled by elites, then they wouldn't have elected a billionaire who flies over them in a gold-plated 757.

 

They elected Trump because he played to their fears.  Xenophobic and ignorant, but that's what happened.

 

 

 

 

I didn't say the Americans got it right. Just that the result makes sense if you analyse the components.





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  Reply # 1669928 13-Nov-2016 09:37
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Rikkitic:

 

How can anyone with even the IQ of a grass-eating goat possibly think that a billionaire who doesn't pay taxes is not part of the elite? 

 

 

 

 

Now you are questioning the IQ of an American? Or saying the result shouldn't stand?





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