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  Reply # 1810108 1-Jul-2017 15:54
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As bad as this soap opera is I believe that Trump will see his term out and there is probably a 50/50 chance that he will be re-elected in 2020. 





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  Reply # 1810130 1-Jul-2017 16:42
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Trump is demeaning the office of the Presidency. He is an international embarrassment. He is doing real damage to the reputation of the United States. So far he hasn't had an opportunity to make significant tactical decisions but if that happens, his pettiness, lack of self-control, bad judgement, ignorance, vanity, nastiness and oafishness have the potential to trigger a real catastrophe. Even some Republicans realise this. Many Americans are now just trying to figure how they can make it to the next election without a complete melt-down. Massage his ego, don't provoke him, try to stay out of the way, do what anyone else trapped in a domestic abuse situation does, just try to avoid eruptions or outbursts until help arrives. 

 

At the rate things are going I doubt he will see out his term. If he does, he will not win the next election. Which is not to say his opponent won't lose it. The Democrats are a corrupt and spent force. Is America capable of following the French example and raising a new political movement from the ashes? All things, I suppose, are possible.

 

 





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  Reply # 1810136 1-Jul-2017 16:49
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How we see it means nothing for 2020, all it needs is the majority in key states to see Trump as the best candidate and he does not need a majority nationally . As for seeing his way to 2020 the Republicans are the only ones that can do that and it requires a good number of them to jump ship and vote with the Democrats for an impeachment move to succeed or an majority of Republicans to vote a "not fit for office" vote neither of these I see happening.





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  Reply # 1810188 1-Jul-2017 17:43
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MikeB4:

 

As bad as this soap opera is I believe that Trump will see his term out and there is probably a 50/50 chance that he will be re-elected in 2020. 

 

 

If it was any first-world democracy - apart from America - I'd say you're dreaming.

 

Unfortunately for the rest of the world, you could be right.

 

Although one thing sorely missing is a leader and potential 2020 candidate for the Democrats.  That's IMO a very silly move, as Trump had already taken the (AFAIK) unprecedented step of officially launching his own 2020 campaign a few days after he was elected.  So he's running $35,000 / plate fundraising dinners - hosted of course in Trump premises - milking it all ways.  A beautiful way for his clique of dodgy but wealthy supporters to screw the American public.


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  Reply # 1810193 1-Jul-2017 17:52
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Rikkitic: The Democrats are a corrupt and spent force.

Corruption is relative, and the democratic party is far from a spent force.

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  Reply # 1810203 1-Jul-2017 18:03
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tdgeek:

 

MikeB4:

 

This latest episode in the White House soap opera I believe has damaged the brand possibly for ever or the next 10 decades. Above all else he has shown that he has no class what so ever.

 

 

I agree. While its just another mindless tweet, I think he is over the boundaries now for his supporters. Im sure many Trump supporters are praying to give us 2 weeks off Twitter or we give up. I feel that this is the start of a more aggressive downward slide from GOP, Republicans and Trump supporters towards him. That in itself will wind him up, a good spiral to watch unfold

 

 

I wish I could agree with you, but I see no evidence of that.

 

 

Now that's clearly no great record when most of the time Trump has less than 40% support vs 55% against, however:

 

I don't see any particular trend apart from post inauguration honeymoon period cool-off.

 

I don't expect that the WH is too worried - yet.  The Republican Party has blatantly gerrymandered electorates and worked to make voting for as difficult as possible for many.  Trump's lies about voter fraud - for which he has no evidence - would go down well with the GOP, they'll want to extend that system nationwide.  That's why there's a stacked "voter fraud commission".  You don't set up such a commission when there's no credible evidence of voter fraud to begin with - there's little doubt it's set up to create an illusion that there is an issue, then "fix" that by implementing policies which you know will suppress (Democrat) voters by putting obstacles in the way of voter registration and voting.

 

Democracy is under attack in the USA.

 

And anyway - why would Trump worry about his own pig-ignorant tweet? He was elected POTUS despite "pussygate", despite misogynist rants, despite racist rants, despite lying through his teeth.

 

 

The tweet is new. Polls take time. IMHO, this tweet is bugger all to me, who cares, but its the start of breaking the camels back IMHO. You are right, but i cant wait for a poll in one week. At some point, his tweets will stop being "Oh thats ok it's only what he does" to "WTF" Maybe that time is now, and good on the media couple to push it. That may allow more Repubs and GOP to push it. When there is a consensus on GOP that most want Trump out, that is the beginning of the end. Whether that is doable or not, I dunno. I looked at the Constitution at the Lincoln Memorial but did not read it all :-) But if not doable, that the public know there is a majority of senators want him out, I can see big momentum there. 

 

This is like water building up on a beaver dam. Boring. But then it lets go.


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  Reply # 1810204 1-Jul-2017 18:05
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freitasm:

 

The latest from Washington Post: Trump's idea is to repeal Obamacare now and vote a new healthcare bill later.

 

These people have no consideration at all for poor people. Whoever voted for him thinking he was going to work for them had a misguided, dumb idea, of life.

 

 

IIRC there were about 20 odd million benefiting from Obamacare. And recently I am sure I read, 20 odd million will lose out with TrumpCare. 


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  Reply # 1810208 1-Jul-2017 18:10
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MikeB4:

 

As bad as this soap opera is I believe that Trump will see his term out and there is probably a 50/50 chance that he will be re-elected in 2020. 

 

 

Interesting call. I saw him out in 12 months after election, yet he has done so much worse than I could imagine, although nothing real, just being an idiot to everyone who is not white and old. But he is still there. The longer he is there, the less the US is. He is not now leader of the free world, he is leader of a country of 300 million, end of story. China and Europe is where its at. They arent angels, but they are normal.


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  Reply # 1810210 1-Jul-2017 18:18
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Rikkitic:

 

Trump is demeaning the office of the Presidency. He is an international embarrassment. He is doing real damage to the reputation of the United States. So far he hasn't had an opportunity to make significant tactical decisions but if that happens, his pettiness, lack of self-control, bad judgement, ignorance, vanity, nastiness and oafishness have the potential to trigger a real catastrophe. Even some Republicans realise this. Many Americans are now just trying to figure how they can make it to the next election without a complete melt-down. Massage his ego, don't provoke him, try to stay out of the way, do what anyone else trapped in a domestic abuse situation does, just try to avoid eruptions or outbursts until help arrives. 

 

At the rate things are going I doubt he will see out his term. If he does, he will not win the next election. Which is not to say his opponent won't lose it. The Democrats are a corrupt and spent force. Is America capable of following the French example and raising a new political movement from the ashes? All things, I suppose, are possible.

 

 

 

 

I agree mainly. But the worlds strength is that some are direct and oppose him, example the media couple this week. He explodes. They criticise him, and he cannot handle that. Great tactics, if it is a tactic. I feel it is, as the media know how to prod the bull. Then the bull attacks, and puts himself in deeper sh^t. I can see that happening more the next two weeks. Good tactic. Provoke him, which as you say, isn't really happening, but it is now. Thats targeting his weak spot.

 

Example, say this was John Key. he would give a 20 second media bite, dilute it away, and smile all through it.

 

But I'm happy the T man hasn't spent 6 months destroying everything, he's been destroying himself. USA? GOP? Probably not as once they out him, they will probably look good.  


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  Reply # 1810230 1-Jul-2017 19:06
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MikeB4:

 

As bad as this soap opera is I believe that Trump will see his term out and there is probably a 50/50 chance that he will be re-elected in 2020. 

 

 

Considering just how broken their system is, you could well be right. undecided

 

The year 2020 seems a long way away.


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  Reply # 1810239 1-Jul-2017 19:31
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The issue with the orange don is that they're making his lies and BS the "new normal".

 

 

 

Next president should be Kamala Harris, but we know that wont happen.


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  Reply # 1810241 1-Jul-2017 19:32
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MikeB4:

 

As bad as this soap opera is I believe that Trump will see his term out and there is probably a 50/50 chance that he will be re-elected in 2020. 

 

 

Considering just how broken their system is, you could well be right. undecided

 

The year 2020 seems a long way away.

 

 

Hard to believe we are only 1/8 into his term. Thats a lot of eighths to have to put up with.


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  Reply # 1810267 1-Jul-2017 21:22
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President Trump, Melting Under Criticism

 

NY Times Editorial Board - June 30, 2017

 

The final paragraph ..

 

 

The big question for all of us is whether with his foot-stamping and his vulgarity Mr. Trump, in defiance of all his predecessors, is creating a new model for future presidential behavior.
Can the etiquette of professional wrestling and reality television truly pass as acceptable for the Oval Office?
The breadth and depth of bipartisan repugnance for this president’s insults suggests, thankfully, that the answer may prove to be no.





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  Reply # 1810281 1-Jul-2017 22:31
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The speculation about Trump and dementia or drugs may or may not be correct. I doubt it. There is a simpler explanation for his behavior:

Atlantic: Dacher Keltner, a psychology professor at UC Berkeley, ended up after years of lab and field experiments. Subjects under the influence of power, he found in studies spanning two decades, acted as if they had suffered a traumatic brain injury—becoming more impulsive, less risk-aware, and, crucially, less adept at seeing things from other people’s point of view.

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  Reply # 1810401 2-Jul-2017 13:35
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I just discovered this item from a couple days ago on CNN. A Democratic representative is trying to get a bill passed to set up an expert committee under the provisions of the 25th amendment to assess the president's mental fitness to hold office. To those who insist that nothing can prevent Trump from serving out his term and running for another, I think this demonstrates the start of something big. It has a long way to go, but I believe it could amount to the first snowflakes of an avalanche. There are not yet any signs of open revolt amongst Republican members of Congress, but it is no secret that many are genuinely concerned about Trump's behaviour. Carl Bernstein has also stated that his presidency is 'malignant'. I remain convinced that if he continues to carry on as he has up to now, there is no way he will make it to the end of his term. Three and a half years is a very long time in politics. Most politicians, however misguided their beliefs, are at heart decent people. America has always had a remarkable capacity for self-correction and pulling back from the brink. Whether this particular bill goes anywhere or not, it indicates the beginning of a trend. There will be other initiatives, others expressing doubts, other demonstrations, other trickles feeding a stream that will become a torrent. This will move beyond partisan politics. At some point America will shrug, and rid itself of this historical blunder.

 

 





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