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  Reply # 1669933 13-Nov-2016 09:51
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What I am saying is that an awful lot of people voted for something other than what they thought they were voting for. An example is Obamacare. Many Trump supporters really hate that, though usually for the wrong reasons. His rhetoric undoubtedly won him their votes. Well guess what, yokels? Trump has now decided to keep Obamacare, at least big chunks of it. How is that butthurt feeling now?

 

 





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  Reply # 1669937 13-Nov-2016 10:02
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Removing Obamacare should be the least of their worries right now




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  Reply # 1669939 13-Nov-2016 10:04
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joker97:

 

Fred99:

 

joker97:

 

At the end of the day, the American people have spoken. They don't want to be ruled by the elites.

 

 

 

 

How many times in this thread does that crop up.  It is wrong.

 

If the American people didn't want to be ruled by elites, then they wouldn't have elected a billionaire who flies over them in a gold-plated 757.

 

They elected Trump because he played to their fears.  Xenophobic and ignorant, but that's what happened.

 

 

 

 

I didn't say the Americans got it right. Just that the result makes sense if you analyse the components.

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't.  It actually doesn't make sense at all.  What does make sense and what they voted for was a convenient excuse and euphemistic "establishment" that was representing the interests of those you don't like, fear, and resent.

 

Americans love the elites.  FFS - they don't have native royalty, so spend the last 1/2 century creating royalty out of Kennedys and Clintons, Kardashians - and now, unfortunately, Trumps.  

 

The Trump royal family are sitting around the throne, appointed by King Donald I of America to official duties.

 

It's an incredibly surreal spectacle.  But it is real.


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  Reply # 1669946 13-Nov-2016 10:29
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It is what it is and life goes on. I think I will buy a new car




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  Reply # 1669948 13-Nov-2016 10:32
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Can anyone tell me if Cher has relocated to Jupiter yet?

 

Just asking as it looks like these celebs have backed down from their threats to move.

 

Just makes one wonder how serious their endorsements were of their chosen candidate.


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  Reply # 1669951 13-Nov-2016 10:42
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MikeB4: It is what it is and life goes on. I think I will buy a new car

 

 

 

I suggest you wait - you might be able to buy a US made GM or Ford that are going to be made in America, by Americans, for the people of America.

 

Or you could just buy a Volkswagen.

 

:-)


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  Reply # 1669952 13-Nov-2016 10:44
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Fred99:

 

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Americans love the elites.  FFS - they don't have native royalty, so spend the last 1/2 century creating royalty out of Kennedys and Clintons, Kardashians - and now, unfortunately, Trumps.  

 

The Trump royal family are sitting around the throne, appointed by King Donald I of America to official duties.

 

It's an incredibly surreal spectacle.  But it is real.

 

 





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  Reply # 1669954 13-Nov-2016 10:52
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Fred99:

 

I suggest you wait - you might be able to buy a US made GM or Ford that are going to be made in America, by Americans, for the people of America.

 

Or you could just buy a Volkswagen.

 

:-)

 

 

Would that be a VW made in Mexico?

 

Or, would that be one made in Germany by low paid Syrian migrants?


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  Reply # 1669958 13-Nov-2016 11:03
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I wonder if Americans will enjoy their three times more expensive half as reliable poor fuel economy made in USA death traps?

 

 





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  Reply # 1669963 13-Nov-2016 11:13
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Rikkitic:

 

I wonder if Americans will enjoy their three times more expensive half as reliable poor fuel economy made in USA death traps? 

 

 

Well they certainly won't be built here but the UK would have a good chance to pick up some extra work.


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  Reply # 1669964 13-Nov-2016 11:14
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Rikkitic:

 

I wonder if Americans will enjoy their three times more expensive half as reliable poor fuel economy made in USA death traps?

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1669965 13-Nov-2016 11:17
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Hey that was a classic... wink


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  Reply # 1669967 13-Nov-2016 11:22
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As for Obamacare (or more appropriately Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), here's one definition:

 

 

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or Obamacare, is a United States federal statute enacted by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. Together with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act amendment, it represents the most significant regulatory overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965. Under the act, hospitals and primary physicians would transform their practices financially, technologically, and clinically to drive better health outcomes, lower costs, and improve their methods of distribution and accessibility.

 

The Affordable Care Act was intended to increase health insurance quality and affordability, lower the uninsured rate by expanding insurance coverage and reduce the costs of healthcare. It introduced mechanisms including mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges. The law requires insurers to accept all applicants, cover a specific list of conditions and charge the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex. In 2011, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA would lower future deficits and Medicare spending.

 

The law and its implementation faced challenges in Congress and federal courts, and from some state governments, conservative advocacy groups, labor unions, and small business organizations. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the ACA's individual mandate as an exercise of Congress's taxing power, that states cannot be forced to participate in the ACA's Medicaid expansion, and that the law's subsidies to help individuals pay for health insurance are available in all states, not just in those that have set up state exchanges.

 

In March 2015, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that the average number of uninsured during the period from January to September 2014 was 11.4 million fewer than the average in 2010. In April 2016, Gallup reported that the percentage of adults who were uninsured dropped from 18% in the third quarter of 2013 to 11% in the first quarter of 2016.

 

 

The general population has more healthcare now than ever, more of this general population is insured but they still make it a bogeyman act.

 

They probably rather pay expensive premiums, or not have insurance at all. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1669969 13-Nov-2016 11:25
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cynnicallemon:

 

Rikkitic:

 

I wonder if Americans will enjoy their three times more expensive half as reliable poor fuel economy made in USA death traps? 

 

 

Well they certainly won't be built here but the UK would have a good chance to pick up some extra work.

 

 

 

 

Given their very cheap petrol prices, who cares if the fuel economy is bad?






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  Reply # 1669971 13-Nov-2016 11:28
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freitasm:

 

As for Obamacare (or more appropriately Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), here's one definition:

 

 

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), commonly called the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or Obamacare, is a United States federal statute enacted by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010. Together with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act amendment, it represents the most significant regulatory overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system since the passage of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965. Under the act, hospitals and primary physicians would transform their practices financially, technologically, and clinically to drive better health outcomes, lower costs, and improve their methods of distribution and accessibility.

 

The Affordable Care Act was intended to increase health insurance quality and affordability, lower the uninsured rate by expanding insurance coverage and reduce the costs of healthcare. It introduced mechanisms including mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges. The law requires insurers to accept all applicants, cover a specific list of conditions and charge the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex. In 2011, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA would lower future deficits and Medicare spending.

 

The law and its implementation faced challenges in Congress and federal courts, and from some state governments, conservative advocacy groups, labor unions, and small business organizations. The United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the ACA's individual mandate as an exercise of Congress's taxing power, that states cannot be forced to participate in the ACA's Medicaid expansion, and that the law's subsidies to help individuals pay for health insurance are available in all states, not just in those that have set up state exchanges.

 

In March 2015, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that the average number of uninsured during the period from January to September 2014 was 11.4 million fewer than the average in 2010. In April 2016, Gallup reported that the percentage of adults who were uninsured dropped from 18% in the third quarter of 2013 to 11% in the first quarter of 2016.

 

 

The general population has more healthcare now than ever, more of this general population is insured but they still make it a bogeyman act.

 

They probably rather pay expensive premiums, or not have insurance at all. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Based on conversations I had with Americans about that, they would rather not pay for OTHER PEOPLE to have insurance. Americans generally believe in looking after yourself and your family through your own efforts, not relying on other people's taxes to cover it for you. Probably why so many NZers seem to have trouble understanding the motivation behind some things that happen there.






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