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  Reply # 1671657 16-Nov-2016 06:31
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joker97: He said what he said to get to where he is. Means nothing to me. Did show the world what kind of person he is. But he was an open book. Or so the Americans were led to believe.

What he's going to do next, not even he knows.

 

 

 

Yes he did say what he said to get where he is.  Now that's where I have a problem, as many of those things that he said were very similar to the things that Hitler was saying, inciting xenophobic sentiment, negatively stereotyping entire classes, races and cultures, promoting economic isolationism, and promising "action" on those issues to "Make America Great Again".

 

Remove those "promises" from his campaign, and what are you left with? A tycoon playboy dirty_old_man with a gold-plated 757 and a history of not being very nice to people.

 

So I presume we do know what the people voted for?

 

Even forgetting the racist xenophobic crap, look at something a little more pragmatic and business orientated - some are heralding Trump's wealth as an indication that he's a "good businessman". He's promised to renege on a whole bunch of agreements that the US has made with other nations. If he carries through with those threats to tear up contracts, how would you feel about negotiating any future agreement with the US?  I suggest that the effect would be considerable loss of trust.  Compare that to a deal you've got with your bank for a mortgage, if they screwed up the contract and threw it on the floor even if it was their "right" to do so - would you deal with them again when you wanted a credit card or place to put a term deposit?  Or if they merely wanted to "renegotiate" the contract, then would you willingly and happily sign another contract that was changed - to help "Make The Bank Great Again"?  I expect you might - but only if a gun was held to your head.  Ooops.

 

Trump is only going to succeed if he relinquishes all of his promises, or becomes defacto fuhrer and forces the rest of the world (and his own nation) to do what he tells them to do.  That method of management is very effective when running casinos, apparently, but it's not going to work for a president trying to run a country and to maintain international relations.

 

 

Yes and here in lies the problem, history is repeating itself.

 

If you read about Nazi Germany before Hitler invaded Poland the capital works were amazing the Autobahn for one, plus all the other works, he certainly made Germany Great. I found a mention of some "facts" about Hitler please see my disclaimer below.

 

http://www.topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler

 

This, while not entirely correct, and if this link needs to be removed please let me know, it is not here to offend, it is here to illustrate that Hitler did a lot of good for Germany amongst the horrific deeds he did to the Jews, Mentally ill and other minority groups.

 

Trump may be back flipping on his promises, and this may see the right wing quite angry at him, if we see Trump assassinated don't see this as a positive, instead see it as our generations Archduke Ferdinand moment and prepare for a world war.


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  Reply # 1671664 16-Nov-2016 07:30
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It is hard to find much that is good about the election of Trump. And as far as Germany goes, it didn't look so 'great' in 1945, so I'm not sure where that argument is supposed to lead.

 

Maybe Trump will make such a mess of things that there will be a radical swing back at the next election and everyone will move on and it will all turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Or maybe he will go too far early on and the checks and balances will kick in and he will be neutralised one way or the other. 

 

One can only hope. I wonder what it felt like, sitting at a Berlin café in 1933. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1671692 16-Nov-2016 09:10
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I get it now. Instead of comparing Trump to National-Socialist Hitler, Trump should be compared to National-Fascist Benito Mussolini.

 

A buffoon, inept person who was ultimately manipulated by the Nazi Hitler figure.





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  Reply # 1671766 16-Nov-2016 09:41
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Rikkitic:

 

Maybe Trump will make such a mess of things that there will be a radical swing back at the next election and everyone will move on and it will all turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

 

 

Ha ha yes..
And takes everyone in his coterie down in flames with him.. from Palin, Gingrich and Guiliani, to Bannon, Ebell and Mnuchin. Maybe even David Duke..
At least any of them that remain after the Stalinist purges that'll ensue as he tries to assign blame for the inevitable policy failures.. or haven't already managed to slink away.


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  Reply # 1671929 16-Nov-2016 12:38
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Dickytim: Trump may be back flipping on his promises, [snip]

I don't see any signs that Trump is back flipping on anything.

If there are differences in practice between his election pitch and his policies - I expect him to cover it with ranting.

In the realms of immigration and international relations that could be very dangerous and compromise the safety of travelers and workers.

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  Reply # 1671936 16-Nov-2016 12:46
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amiga500:

 

HRC using the word 'deplorables' to describe half of Trump's supporters might be the one word that motivated a whole lot of people in the rust belt states to get out and vote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I agree.

 

Hillary was pilloried for telling something mainly the truth, at the same time Trump was deified by the true deplorables for consistently telling lies.


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  Reply # 1672022 16-Nov-2016 13:33
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dickytim:

 

 

 

http://www.topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler

 

This, while not entirely correct, and if this link needs to be removed please let me know, it is not here to offend, it is here to illustrate that Hitler did a lot of good for Germany amongst the horrific deeds he did to the Jews, Mentally ill and other minority groups.

 

Trump may be back flipping on his promises, and this may see the right wing quite angry at him, if we see Trump assassinated don't see this as a positive, instead see it as our generations Archduke Ferdinand moment and prepare for a world war.

 

 

 

 

You don't need to remove the link - as far as know, that's all true.  MF has kindly removed the "Godwin's" rule for this thread. It's not coming up in every post - and people are making reasonable comparisons IMO.

 

Hitler was widely admired from outside Germany by many for his achievements.  Anti-semitism was quite normal/accepted globally, hence Hitler's behaviour was tolerated.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1672096 16-Nov-2016 14:31
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To date, AFAIK, Trump has done very little that would cause him to be compared to either Mussolini or the other guy.

 

FFS he has not even sat behind the Oval Office desk yet, much less done anything.






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  Reply # 1672110 16-Nov-2016 14:42
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Geektastic:

 

To date, AFAIK, Trump has done very little that would cause him to be compared to either Mussolini or the other guy.

 

FFS he has not even sat behind the Oval Office desk yet, much less done anything.

 

 


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  Reply # 1672167 16-Nov-2016 15:33
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Now might be a good time to view The Great Dictatorsmile

This movie was made in Hollywood by Charlie Chaplin in 1940, before the USA entered World War Two.

Chaplin mercilessly lampoons two dictators:

Adenoid Hynkel  (Hitler)
Benzino Napaloni  (Mussolini)




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  Reply # 1672222 16-Nov-2016 17:01
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While I agree that some parallels can be drawn with early-mid 1930s Hitler, it most certainly doesn't automatically follow that Trump will proceed down a similar path going forward. In fact I think it is incredibly unlikely.


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  Reply # 1672229 16-Nov-2016 17:13
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Agreed. Too many countries have nukes now, plus we live in the instant communications era.


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  Reply # 1672243 16-Nov-2016 17:34
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Trump is only going to succeed if he relinquishes all of his promises,

 

 

Thats what I see. I haven't followed much of him the last few days, but the big beautiful wall, it will be great, will be a fence in places, solid other places. He seems to be ok with NATO now, wonder how he will be wot NAFTA, I suspect "there are some good things in NAFTA"  The moslem issue, now there are many wonderful moslems. Hillary who dod noting on 30 years, now gave us great service for 30 years. Its a bit laughable really. Reneges, backtracks, dilutes. The voters are getting less and less for there vote. GOP or RNC are running the show, despite his clear drive and talents, he doesn't really have a clue. I think the other day he said, Ive done (whatever he said) but I haven't done this before. His talent requirement now is to pass on all this backtracking, and managing his voters. 

 

End of the day, they got change, a Republican Govt, and I honestly feel that  Trump has very little say in what has and will go on. 


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  Reply # 1672247 16-Nov-2016 17:38
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Rikkitic:

 

Can anyone explain to me the economics of Trump's five trillion dollar infrastructure project? How is he going to pay for it? Do they just print more money and make the dollar even more devalued? Do they borrow it from China while blocking imports from that country and slapping tariffs on everything? Where does that money come from when America is already carrying 20 trillion dollars of debt? Or doesn't that  mean anything any more? Is it just numbers and monopoly money?

 

 

 

 

 

 

It got votes. As did other huge sums of money for his tax cuts. No information of the books, but it sounds like a great idea if you say it quickly.


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  Reply # 1672432 16-Nov-2016 21:59
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Paul1977:

 

While I agree that some parallels can be drawn with early-mid 1930s Hitler, it most certainly doesn't automatically follow that Trump will proceed down a similar path going forward. In fact I think it is incredibly unlikely.

 

 

 

 

The ideology and times and circumstances are different, but his methodology is identical.

 

Most of the world were in denial about Hitler's ambitions.

 

The budget for the US military machine is more than China, Russia, UK, and Germany combined.

 

 


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