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  Reply # 1672793 17-Nov-2016 13:51
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I'm approaching the result with an open mind. Who knows, he might make America great again. In the meantime running around like Chicken Little does no one any good.





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  Reply # 1672803 17-Nov-2016 14:02
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darylblake:

 

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I think this man is unpredictable. This may or may not prove to be a bad thing. However I do think he is reasonably intelligent, some have dismissed this. And I do think he is going to focus heavily on what is good for America.

 

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He will focus heavily on what is good for Donald Trump.  undecided

 

He has been doing this for the last 70 years, and he's too old to change, even assuming that his bloated ego would let him.





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  Reply # 1672806 17-Nov-2016 14:06
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Fred99:

 

To use blatant racism, targeting entire races and cultures, threatening to deport millions of people, to build physical walls, to revoke treaties and agreements with other nations, isolationism and strong nationalism?

 

Check to all.  Yes - he's a fascist. It's just a name, don't be afraid to use it.

 

 

I'm disputing whether the techniques you label as fascist are in any way unique to fascism.

 

To paraphrase Hitler himself: You seem to have forgotten the Armenians. There's a chilling similarity to Hitler's treatment of the Jews. Done by Muslims in 1914, long before the word fascist was invented. Or perhaps we might think about the USA and various Native American tribes? Or the Russian Empire pogroms? The Spanish conquest of the New World?

 

Racism. Genocide. Torture. Theft. Intimidation. None of these are *fascist*.

 

 


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  Reply # 1672814 17-Nov-2016 14:14
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

What people keep pointing out about Hitler is that he stole the democratic process. It has also happened elsewhere. who is to say it couldn't be happening in this case?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 





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  Reply # 1672831 17-Nov-2016 14:22
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Fred99:

 

To use blatant racism, targeting entire races and cultures, threatening to deport millions of people, to build physical walls, to revoke treaties and agreements with other nations, isolationism and strong nationalism?

 

Check to all.  Yes - he's a fascist. It's just a name, don't be afraid to use it.

 

 

I'm disputing whether the techniques you label as fascist are in any way unique to fascism.

 

To paraphrase Hitler himself: You seem to have forgotten the Armenians. There's a chilling similarity to Hitler's treatment of the Jews. Done by Muslims in 1914, long before the word fascist was invented. Or perhaps we might think about the USA and various Native American tribes? Or the Russian Empire pogroms? The Spanish conquest of the New World?

 

Racism. Genocide. Torture. Theft. Intimidation. None of these are *fascist*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may find that some consider that Turkey was the first fascist state.

 

"In reality, one of the consequences of the Armenian Genocide was the creation of the first fascist state in Europe’s periphery. The Republic of Turkey had all the core characteristics inherent to fascism and Nazism, which later emerged in Italy, Germany and some other European countries."

 

 


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  Reply # 1672832 17-Nov-2016 14:23
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Dulouz:


I'm approaching the result with an open mind. Who knows, he might make America great again. In the meantime running around like Chicken Little does no one any good.



At what cost and who's expense?





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  Reply # 1672858 17-Nov-2016 14:35
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MikeB4:

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

Enjoy your perfect world, Henny Penny.

 

 





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  Reply # 1672859 17-Nov-2016 14:37
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but there's a common perception, fueled by the Trump campaign, that things were indeed truly terrible in the US, that because of institutionalised high level corruption, because of the actions of other countries (ie Trump's attacks on China) and the blight from "them" (Mexican rapists, muslims etc).

 

Arguing against obvious fascism is hardly mischievous.  There damned well should be fear about him, there's not a lot of uncertainly about what he stands for, but a hellofalot of optimistic denialism going on in this thread.

 

 


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  Reply # 1672865 17-Nov-2016 14:46
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but there's a common perception, fueled by the Trump campaign, that things were indeed truly terrible in the US, that because of institutionalised high level corruption, because of the actions of other countries (ie Trump's attacks on China) and the blight from "them" (Mexican rapists, muslims etc).

 

Arguing against obvious fascism is hardly mischievous.  There damned well should be fear about him, there's not a lot of uncertainly about what he stands for, but a hellofalot of optimistic denialism going on in this thread.

 

 

 

 

Hang on. You cant decide that if anyone doesnt see the horror that will inflict the world in the quarter post 20 Jan 2017 is in denial. I could say that your opinions are paranoid or over thinking or extreme. Its better to give reasons why any one of thinks what we do, rather than assume your opinioins are correct. We all share the same opinion thats no issue. What he says he will do and what he will do or cant do, or gets told what to do is up in the air. His pratness isnt up in the air, but thankfully the US doesnt run a dictatorship.


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  Reply # 1672869 17-Nov-2016 14:51
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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

Circumstances are different, the USA is not experiencing hyper -inflation, high unemployment, loss of territory, essentially bankrupt owing massive war reparations. The circumstances in 1930's Germany were way different

 

to the USA of now. Personally I believe making such comparisons is mischievous and trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt/dread. 

 

 

Enjoy your perfect world, Henny Penny.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sure the fictional Henny Penny believed the world is coming to an end. Not sure what your dig is meant to mean. I don't think the world is perfect but I don't believe in doom and gloom.





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  Reply # 1672870 17-Nov-2016 14:54
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

Hang on. You cant decide that if anyone doesnt see the horror that will inflict the world in the quarter post 20 Jan 2017 is in denial. I could say that your opinions are paranoid or over thinking or extreme. Its better to give reasons why any one of thinks what we do, rather than assume your opinioins are correct. We all share the same opinion thats no issue. What he says he will do and what he will do or cant do, or gets told what to do is up in the air. His pratness isnt up in the air, but thankfully the US doesnt run a dictatorship.

 

 

You continually underestimate the executive power of a POTUS with a majority in both houses and a stacked SCOTUS.

 

It's not going to go away for at least two years (unless impeached), and even then what's left is still far to the moral conservative right than any GOP government in 50 years.


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  Reply # 1672882 17-Nov-2016 14:57
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Anyone who thinks Trump is just misunderstood should see the CNN interview with Megyn Kelly.

 

 





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  Reply # 1672883 17-Nov-2016 15:00
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frankv:

 

Fred99:

 

To use blatant racism, targeting entire races and cultures, threatening to deport millions of people, to build physical walls, to revoke treaties and agreements with other nations, isolationism and strong nationalism?

 

Check to all.  Yes - he's a fascist. It's just a name, don't be afraid to use it.

 

 

I'm disputing whether the techniques you label as fascist are in any way unique to fascism.

 

To paraphrase Hitler himself: You seem to have forgotten the Armenians. There's a chilling similarity to Hitler's treatment of the Jews. Done by Muslims in 1914, long before the word fascist was invented. Or perhaps we might think about the USA and various Native American tribes? Or the Russian Empire pogroms? The Spanish conquest of the New World?

 

Racism. Genocide. Torture. Theft. Intimidation. None of these are *fascist*.

 

 

You seem to think that fascism is defined by racism. It's not, it's more than that. It involves nationalism and authoritarianism.





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  Reply # 1672888 17-Nov-2016 15:07
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Fred99:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Hang on. You cant decide that if anyone doesnt see the horror that will inflict the world in the quarter post 20 Jan 2017 is in denial. I could say that your opinions are paranoid or over thinking or extreme. Its better to give reasons why any one of thinks what we do, rather than assume your opinioins are correct. We all share the same opinion thats no issue. What he says he will do and what he will do or cant do, or gets told what to do is up in the air. His pratness isnt up in the air, but thankfully the US doesnt run a dictatorship.

 

 

You continually underestimate the executive power of a POTUS with a majority in both houses and a stacked SCOTUS.

 

It's not going to go away for at least two years (unless impeached), and even then what's left is still far to the moral conservative right than any GOP government in 50 years.

 

 

Lets just see what happens. Either all of his outlandish policies will be full steam ahead on Jan 21 or they wont be. Hillary in jail, Moslems deported en masse, physical wall being built, fixing the infrastructure to be the best in the world at huge debt, getting stuck into China and tarrifing anybody and everybody. Pulling out of military support or invoicing them, and so on. He used psychology to won, he cannot use that to run a country. But arent you underestimating the role the party has in running the country? Or do you feel that Trump will do what he wants, irregardless of them? if that was the case, your concerns are well founded and the US will go broke and be left friendless and isloated. But should he go down that track he will be ousted.

 

Im not underestimating anything. I am however not over estimating him transferring his policies as stated into law and practice. Under estimating him or over estimating him, thats the $64000 question. But, these are ALL opinions.  


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  Reply # 1672905 17-Nov-2016 15:40
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Is Trump a fascist? Is he just an intolerant bigot employing some fascist techniques? What I do know, because it has been documented in interviews, is that he is a vicious, vindictive bully who goes out of his way to 'get even'. This is the next President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen. Any uncertainty, doubt or dread stems from that fact alone, not from anyone discussing it. Henny Penny jumped to an unreasonable conclusion on the basis of very flimsy evidence that the sky was falling, or something equivalent. That is one extreme. The other is insisting that the approaching asteroid won't actually hit us, or isn't even really there at all. Neither point of view is particularly helpful.

 

 





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