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  Reply # 1672913 17-Nov-2016 15:53
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

Is Trump a fascist? Is he just an intolerant bigot employing some fascist techniques? What I do know, because it has been documented in interviews, is that he is a vicious, vindictive bully who goes out of his way to 'get even'. This is the next President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen. Any uncertainty, doubt or dread stems from that fact alone, not from anyone discussing it. Henny Penny jumped to an unreasonable conclusion on the basis of very flimsy evidence that the sky was falling, or something equivalent. That is one extreme. The other is insisting that the approaching asteroid won't actually hit us, or isn't even really there at all. Neither point of view is particularly helpful.

 

 

 

 

Its about seperating what he says in an election to what he does post election, and what he can do, and assuming he has unbridled power to overrule his party. Your analogy is a bit off the mark. On the right track more or less though but a bit extreme. So we should not discuss the extremes that could happen?


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  Reply # 1672915 17-Nov-2016 15:57
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Fred99:

 

You continually underestimate the executive power of a POTUS with a majority in both houses and a stacked SCOTUS.

 

It's not going to go away for at least two years (unless impeached), and even then what's left is still far to the moral conservative right than any GOP government in 50 years.

 

 

Right. People were hoping/expecting the GOP would rein Trump in, but they're not going to do that if he's doing something they actually agree with.  In the past it's been Obama limiting the excesses of the GOP in Congress (or, from the GOP's point of view, the GOP limiting Obama's excesses), so the final position is somewhere between their extremes. Now the brakes are off. Things will swing rapidly to whichever is the least right wing of Trump and the GOP, and then a little bit further.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1672917 17-Nov-2016 15:58
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Are we using fascist in the correct historic political meaning of that word, or the modern, casual Twitterati sense of the word?






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  Reply # 1672922 17-Nov-2016 16:02
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

Is Trump a fascist? Is he just an intolerant bigot employing some fascist techniques? What I do know, because it has been documented in interviews, is that he is a vicious, vindictive bully who goes out of his way to 'get even'. This is the next President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen. Any uncertainty, doubt or dread stems from that fact alone, not from anyone discussing it. Henny Penny jumped to an unreasonable conclusion on the basis of very flimsy evidence that the sky was falling, or something equivalent. That is one extreme. The other is insisting that the approaching asteroid won't actually hit us, or isn't even really there at all. Neither point of view is particularly helpful.

 

 

 

 

It is all pure speculation wrapped up to be fact.





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Using empathy takes no energy and can gain so much. Try it.

 

 


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  Reply # 1672923 17-Nov-2016 16:05
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MikeB4:

 

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I am sure the fictional Henny Penny believed the world is coming to an end.

 

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Can I remind you that Henny Penny was eaten by Foxy Loxy.  undecided





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  Reply # 1672927 17-Nov-2016 16:13
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And this guy says Japanese internment camps during WWII are a precedent for registry of immigrants from muslim countries 


 







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  Reply # 1672935 17-Nov-2016 16:23
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freitasm:

 

And this guy says Japanese internment camps during WWII are a precedent for registry of immigrants from muslim countries 

 



Ummm... think she was jumping in before he got to say what he meant by it to be fair?
I heard "register people who aren't citizens" and not "corral all foreigners who are Muslims"


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  Reply # 1672944 17-Nov-2016 16:40
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I don't know if Clinton would have been significantly better. Some people think she is a big time crook. The choice was clearly between bad and worse. Which one the US Citizens picked possibly defines what they thought was what. Either way, the facts are this: we DONT KNOW what Trump is going to really be like, we can only speculate. And I would NOT use CNN as a reliable source of media either. Its very bias towards the democrats, hence why its called the "Clinton News Network". So the reports you are going to get are going to be anti-trump. Its like watching Fox News, being all Pro Trump and Anti Clinton.

 

He will backtrack on some of his campaign promises, surely, they were unrealistic. It sounds like when it comes to trade deals, he prefers seperate negotiated trade deals with each nation, rather than a complex trade deal wrapped up like NAFTA/TPP etc.

 

This trade war with China might not be as much as 45% tarriffs. It might be something more realistic like 15%. His wall will probably be an extended monitored fence, with concrete in "some areas". And to be fair, we don't have the same problems the United states has in regards to illegal immigrants, nor does Australia the UK and Canada, so we look at these political issues differently and laugh about this wall. NZ/AU/UK are all on islands, and Canada is so far north and bordered by the USA that they don't really have big illegal problems.

 

Look at what is real. Do the GOP want to do all this random cr@p like spend 20 billion on a concrete barrier? Probably not. But it probably is in the GOP's interest to spend some money on boarder security. 

 

It even sounds like these wars in the middle east have been too costly for the United States, and Trump seems to want to avoid them mainly for this very reason.

 

I think they will be pushing their policies, and if Trump fights them too much they will remove him. This might not happen, Trump probably will get some strong say in what policies get selected. I think he believes he can strip back the fat that has built up in the US government. There will be many obstacles for him to overcome to do this, even though he has the GOP in the house and senate, restructures take a long time.

 

Trump is a reasonably intelligent person, when he said those  "politically incorrect" comments on the campaign trail, he knew he was stiring up the pot. But I do not know what kind of government he is going to set up, I am however watching closely.






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  Reply # 1673005 17-Nov-2016 17:52
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darylblake:

 

when he said those  "politically incorrect" comments on the campaign trail

 

 

They weren't "politically incorrect".  They were racist, misogynist, attacks surrounded by a pack of other filthy dirty lies.

 

Calling such behaviour "politically incorrect" is a typical tactic by the alt-right to make it seem like it's okay to behave like that.

 

It isn't - and that's the plain truth.


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  Reply # 1673031 17-Nov-2016 18:05
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I thought this was a good article explaining his appeal- What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
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Link: https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

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  Reply # 1673037 17-Nov-2016 18:19
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Well yeah..

 

 

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

 

 

(Warren Buffett)


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  Reply # 1673055 17-Nov-2016 18:35
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I thought it explained Tamaki's followers pretty well too.

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  Reply # 1673121 17-Nov-2016 20:41
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JayADee: I thought it explained Tamaki's followers pretty well too.

 

If Tamaki and his followers are all going to heaven, and Trump and his followers are all going to hell, is there a third option?


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  Reply # 1673127 17-Nov-2016 20:50
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Let's be fair to the man and wait a year or two before we see how far down the toilet the world is by then. tongue-out


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  Reply # 1673129 17-Nov-2016 20:54
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JayADee: I thought this was a good article explaining his appeal- What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class
Joan C. Williams
Link: https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class

 

 

 

Some awesome quotes in there explain Brexit sentiments too:

 

 

 

Understand Working-Class Resentment of the Poor

 

Remember when President Obama sold Obamacare by pointing out that it delivered health care to 20 million people? Just another program that taxed the middle class to help the poor, said the WWC, and in some cases that’s proved true: The poor got health insurance while some Americans just a notch richer saw their premiums rise.

 

Progressives have lavished attention on the poor for over a century. That (combined with other factors) led to social programs targeting them. Means-tested programs that help the poor but exclude the middle may keep costs and tax rates lower, but they are a recipe for class conflict.

 

Example: 28.3% of poor families receive child-care subsidies, which are largely nonexistent for the middle class. So my sister-in-law worked full-time for Head Start, providing free child care for poor women while earning so little that she almost couldn’t pay for her own. She resented this, especially the fact that some of the kids’ moms did not work. One arrived late one day to pick up her child, carrying shopping bags from Macy’s. My sister-in-law was livid.

 

Both parties have supported free-trade deals because of the net positive GDP gains, overlooking the blue-collar workers who lost work as jobs left for Mexico or Vietnam. These are precisely the voters in the crucial swing states of Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that Democrats have so long ignored. Excuse me. Who’s stupid?

 

Class conflict now closely tracks the urban-rural divide

 

(Same as Brexit Urban/Rural split)

 

 

 

Avoid the Temptation to Write Off Blue-Collar Resentment as Racism

 

Economic resentment has fueled racial anxiety that, in some Trump supporters (and Trump himself), bleeds into open racism. But to write off WWC anger as nothing more than racism is intellectual comfort food, and it is dangerous.

 

*edit - messed up the quote/link BBCode :(


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