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  Reply # 1675567 22-Nov-2016 16:27
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Pretty sure they have freedom of speech to say what they like, don't they?

 

 

Until it's hate speech.

 

 

I also don't believe freedom of speech should extend to hate speech. 

 

In NZ hate speech is illegal.  In the US it's constitutional right.

 

I've always though the US penny-wise and pound-foolish with freedom.





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  Reply # 1675571 22-Nov-2016 16:35
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I think this kind of thing is one of the unintended consequences of the Internet and social media. Suddenly every poisonous toad in the world has a global platform for spewing noxious venom. Giving these creatures a voice draws them out from under their rocks. The problem is that because they have a voice, their ugly thoughts are becoming normalised. Boundaries are shifting and stuff that once would not be tolerated by anyone with a shred of decency or self-respect is now making it to the mainstream. I don't know how much this has to do with the election of Trump giving it a veneer of legitimacy but something does seem to have changed. It doesn't bode well for the future.

 

 





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  Reply # 1675599 22-Nov-2016 18:31
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MikeAqua:

 

freitasm:

 

Geektastic:

 

Pretty sure they have freedom of speech to say what they like, don't they?

 

 

Until it's hate speech.

 

 

I also don't believe freedom of speech should extend to hate speech. 

 

In NZ hate speech is illegal.  In the US it's constitutional right.

 

I've always though the US penny-wise and pound-foolish with freedom.

 

 

 

 

Tricky one. Banning people from saying things in public does not stop them thinking them or saying them in private. I have heard many things said by 'ordinary Kiwis' who live outside the metropolitan bubble that would curl the hair on some of the delicate flowers I have seen in the media etc.

 

Driving views underground could be said to be more dangerous than allowing them to be aired in public.






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  Reply # 1675749 23-Nov-2016 00:06
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/presidentelect-donald-trump-could-be-impeached-over-his-hotel-soiree-with-foreign-diplomats-legal-experts-say/news-story/27453853c23e85f9241ee06ce1f569a5

 

A Harvard Law professor says President-elect Donald Trump could be impeached the moment he takes office over comments made to foreign diplomats. During a gathering at his new, spare-no-expense hotel in Washington DC, Mr Trump wined and dined visiting officials in the opulence of the hotel’s Lincoln Library, a junior ballroom with 16-foot ceilings and velvet drapes.

Ethical concerns were raised after a number of delegates admitted they would be tempted to stay at the hotel when visiting the US capital, in a bid to curry favour with the President.
“Believe me, all the delegations will go there,” one Middle Eastern diplomat told the Washington Post. “Why wouldn’t I stay at his hotel blocks from the White House, so I can tell the new president, ‘I love your new hotel!’ Isn’t it rude to come to his city and say, ‘I am staying at your competitor?’” said another.





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  Reply # 1675761 23-Nov-2016 07:29
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At the end it says it is highly unlikely to happen unless the republicans who control the Senate and the House really wants to do so.




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  Reply # 1675825 23-Nov-2016 09:10
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At the rate he is going, I think there will be lots of things he can be impeached for by the time he takes office. Whether that happens is another matter.

 

 





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  Reply # 1675834 23-Nov-2016 09:18
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He won't be impeached, at least for some time as the GOP control both houses and so unless they have a death wish, they won't allow it.






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  Reply # 1675851 23-Nov-2016 09:47
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I did mention I'm not too fussed about the mad guy but did anyone watch the hail trump (complete with salute) video? I mean I don't believe he is directly involved but still ... wth!





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  Reply # 1675852 23-Nov-2016 09:48
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Unless he changes he will be impeached, and at 70 years old he wont change now.

 

I predict impeachment to begin around the end of his first year. By then he will be quite bored with the job and sick of pandering to the rules/systems that come with the office. As one of the most selfish billionaires in the US he will start drifting back to his personal business. I dont believe this man has ever done anything for the benefit of others.


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  Reply # 1675857 23-Nov-2016 09:58
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Another lie exposed. I wonder when those who voted for him will start wondering just what they voted for.

 

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/318697/trump-won't-pursue-clinton-charges

 

 





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  Reply # 1675858 23-Nov-2016 10:03
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As many predicted Trump is dialling back on the rhetoric. Given he is more pragmatic than idealistic, he might actually be quite a good president.





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  Reply # 1675861 23-Nov-2016 10:15
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joker97:

 

I did mention I'm not too fussed about the mad guy but did anyone watch the hail trump (complete with salute) video? I mean I don't believe he is directly involved but still ... wth!

 

 

Shocking that there are still people who have not adopted the Groupthink and hold alternative views that might be unpalatable?

 

If you look at human society over the last 1000 years, it's been nicey-nicey liberal for perhaps 50 of them...! All that is happening is that the veneer is cracking and normal service is about to be resumed.

 

None of this is a surprise to me - if you force people not to say certain things and not to do certain things, and their brains tell them that those things are good not bad, eventually the suppression will fail.

 

I'm not endorsing any particular views - merely saying that it does not surprise me to see this sort of thing coming back. Life is cyclical and just now the left and centre left is out of favour across the world.






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  Reply # 1675862 23-Nov-2016 10:20
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Another lie exposed. I wonder when those who voted for him will start wondering just what they voted for.

 

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/318697/trump-won't-pursue-clinton-charges

 

 

 

 

 

 

That doesn't feel like a lie to me. That feels like something he said that he later determined was not going to do any good. Obama has all but said he would pardon her, so it would achieve nothing. He needs to concentrate on the battles he can win. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1675868 23-Nov-2016 10:28
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It is a lie. People voted for him because of things he promised. One thing he promised, which got him a lot of approval at his rallies, was to prosecute Clinton with the most probable outcome of that being a criminal conviction. He repeated stated that, in no uncertain terms. It became a rallying cry.

 

So now that he has been elected, suddenly it is not such a big deal any more. For my part, I never thought for a moment that it was a big deal, but the rednecks who voted for him did so because they thought he would be different, and not do things like every other politician. I think they are in for a big disappointment.  





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  Reply # 1675870 23-Nov-2016 10:31
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Rikkitic:

 

It is a lie. People voted for him because of things he promised. One thing he promised, which got him a lot of approval at his rallies, was to prosecute Clinton with the most probable outcome of that being a criminal conviction. He repeated stated that, in no uncertain terms. It became a rallying cry.

 

So now that he has been elected, suddenly it is not such a big deal any more. For my part, I never thought for a moment that it was a big deal, but the rednecks who voted for him did so because they thought he would be different, and not do things like every other politician. I think they are in for a big disappointment.  

 

 

It's hardly a big deal. Clinton in or out of jail makes no difference to most people and it certainly has nothing to do with making America great again.





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