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  Reply # 1686775 12-Dec-2016 23:59
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Some things in life are just beyond our control.

 

Not to accept that merely invites madness, I think.






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  Reply # 1686801 13-Dec-2016 06:12
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Back on topic. Japan has ratified the TPP:

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/opinion/why-did-japans-parliament-ratify-dead-tpp-agreement

It's not going away. Occuring after meeting with Trump, there is speculation that Trump will more or less strike or claim to strike the bits he does not want from what the USA ratifies and keep the bits that ahem make america great and ratify that.

Alternatively to a large extent the Trump administration could do nothing. It is the laws and practices of foreign nations which would be bound by ratifying TPP in their own countries. Presumably Trump could hand out quid pro quo as he pleases.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1686898 13-Dec-2016 10:12
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Is that correct? My understanding of TPP is that it only comes into effect if (nearly) all signatories ratify it and that the terms already agreed cannot be altered in any way.

 

 





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  Reply # 1686937 13-Dec-2016 10:33
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Rikkitic:

 

Is that correct? My understanding of TPP is that it only comes into effect if (nearly) all signatories ratify it and that the terms already agreed cannot be altered in any way.

 

 

NZ has recently changed (or is in the process of changing?) some laws around IP to comply with TPPA. AFAIK this is going ahead despite the probable failure of TPPA. Lose-lose.

 

 


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  Reply # 1686939 13-Dec-2016 10:34
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Rikkitic:

 

Is that correct? My understanding of TPP is that it only comes into effect if (nearly) all signatories ratify it and that the terms already agreed cannot be altered in any way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah - but it doesn't preclude a bilateral negotiation between say Japan and USA, where Trump could claim he'd made ground thus could now reverse his stance on TPP.

 

I personally very much doubt that though.  TPPA in retrospect was very much about increasing US influence in the region at the expense of China.  Despite that suiting Trump's general paranoia about China, Trump's misunderstood the thing from day one.  I think Japan ratifying TPP was probably just a low cost or commitment poke in the eye to China.


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  Reply # 1687043 13-Dec-2016 12:33
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They sure are having a lot of fun with him.

 

 





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  Reply # 1692031 19-Dec-2016 08:38
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I don't know if I should start a new thread but can anyone explain the Russian hacking that the CIA and FBI are supremely confident and sure of ...

 

There are 2 issues

 

- the hacking itself (which I have not much ideas of)

 

- did the hacking elect Trump instead of Clinton (if there were no hacking)

 

- is the CIA going to assassinate Trump by the end of the year





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  Reply # 1692039 19-Dec-2016 08:54
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The hacking certainly occurred. No doubt about that.

 

There was an orchestrated campaign against Clinton. Fake news probably did as much to get Trump elected as any hacking. The FBI did its part as well.

 

One can only hope. At the rate he is going, there is a good possibility of that.

 

 





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  Reply # 1692060 19-Dec-2016 09:45
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There's a wikipedia page devoted to 2016 United States election interference by Russia.

 

 


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  Reply # 1692189 19-Dec-2016 14:03
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Remember when rights owners of intro music told him he can't use it?  I just heard on the radio that he can't get any music or performers for the inauguration. He may have to sing himself!


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  Reply # 1692195 19-Dec-2016 14:14
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Remember when rights owners of intro music told him he can't use it?  I just heard on the radio that he can't get any music or performers for the inauguration. He may have to sing himself!

 

 

There's always someone who needs publicity





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  Reply # 1692290 19-Dec-2016 16:50
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I've got the final answer - with the statistics to prove it - Vladimir Putin.

 

 

 

if you read the article below - you will see that on the current trajectory VP is on, in 4 years time he will be unassailable in his popularity - to the point the the USA public will probably repeal the parts of their legislation requiring him to by a Native born citizen and reside in their country.

 

The cold war is over- VP has won the next election and will unite the old USSR and USA as well as the Ukraine, Syria and a few others. It will be called The United States and Soviet Socilaist Republic of the Islamist State of Independent Syria, Russia, America North*(Canada IS  inDependent) . or the New USSSR ISIS RAN(CID)

 

and here are the statistics. Although how in hades did they figure out if the republican voters were voters or part of the majority of the (current) USA that didn't vote no matter which party they affiliated themselves to. - Whooops - my bad, they borrowed the Russian code and tied voter names to actual voters vs fake voters.

 

approval rating : -66 a few years ago and -10 this year is an increase of over 20% per year (conservative) leading to 70 plus percent approval rating in four years time - unassailable.

 

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A poll released by The Economist and YouGov this week showed that in the months after Russia’s interference in the election was first reported, Vladimir Putin’s approval ratings among Republican voters underwent a remarkable improvement. The Russian strongman had a net approval rating of -66 just a few years ago among GOP voters. In recent post-election polling, his negatives were only -10, with 37 percent of Republican voters expressing a favorable view of him.

 

“What I worry about more than anything,” Obama said Friday, “is the degree to which, because of the fierceness because of the partisan battle, you start to see certain folks in the Republican Party and Republican voters suddenly finding a government and individuals who stand contrary to everything that we stand for as being OK, because that's how much we dislike Democrats,” he said.





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Fred99:

There's a wikipedia page devoted to 2016 United States election interference by Russia.


 



Mmm .. US getting a taste of their own medicine




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