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  Reply # 1693713 22-Dec-2016 10:52
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frankv:

 

tdgeek:

 

The popular vote as the only vote would be fair, 

 

 

Fair for whom? And what is your definition of "fair"?

 

The US Presidential voting scheme has been deliberately set up to ensure that the states retain a measure of power, particularly that the smaller states wouldn't be swamped by the populous ones. At the time, that was thought to be "fair".

 

What's really needed is an explicit definition of who the President is supposed to represent; people or states. Not that it will actually make much difference; currently the President doesn't represent either of those; he represents wealth and power.

 

 

 

 

Fair is fair. There are many ways to decide who wins. Say they went popular vote, one party wins 51% to 49%, which is pretty typical there. So the winning party wins. That % applies to the States as well. If the popular vote applies, it applies to all. If you want to apply differing and/or many rules, you end up with a complicated mess, which we have now. States can have their own elections, popular vote for Senators, for those laws that are State managed. The other laws are as mandated by the country popular vote


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  Reply # 1693718 22-Dec-2016 11:03
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Fred99:

 

 

 

Yup, the rules which allow 4% of the US voters control 8% of the electoral college votes.

 

Sometimes you surprise me with your responses - they seem conservative in terms of "well that's the way it works - so we should just accept it".

 

If that was the way the world should work, then we'd have been at risk of being slaves to a class of wealthy overlords, and expected to be loyal to them to the extent we'd fight to the death to support them in their squabbles between themselves.  Oh wait...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You read me wrong, all I am saying is he played by the rules and won. Now if the questions is 'is the USA electoral system well and fair' I will say a resounding no it is not. It is like they had a series of meetings to determine the most god awful system, then make 50 times more complex and generally

 

make a dogs breakfast of something that does not need to be hard.





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  Reply # 1694140 23-Dec-2016 08:04
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Absolute genius:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Speaking at the defense ministry's headquarters in Moscow, Putin said Russia should be swift in "adjusting plans to neutralize potential threats to our country."

 

He said strengthening Russia's nuclear capability should be a chief objective for 2017.

 

"We need to enhance the combat capability of strategic nuclear forces, primarily by strengthening missile complexes that will be guaranteed to penetrate existing and future missile defense systems," Putin said.

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1694195 23-Dec-2016 09:29
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More nukes eh? Great, I feel safer already.


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  Reply # 1694203 23-Dec-2016 09:46
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Fred99:

Absolute genius:



 


 


Speaking at the defense ministry's headquarters in Moscow, Putin said Russia should be swift in "adjusting plans to neutralize potential threats to our country."


He said strengthening Russia's nuclear capability should be a chief objective for 2017.


"We need to enhance the combat capability of strategic nuclear forces, primarily by strengthening missile complexes that will be guaranteed to penetrate existing and future missile defense systems," Putin said.



 


 



A particular scene from Boondocks Saints comes to mind




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  Reply # 1694209 23-Dec-2016 10:16
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Perhaps a reboot of the TV/Movie Whoops Apocalypse is in order?




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  Reply # 1694310 23-Dec-2016 12:26
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Fred99:

 

Absolute genius:

 

 

 

Brilliantly oxymoronic... a world leader who had come to his senses regarding nukes wouldn't want to strengthen his nuclear capability.

 

 


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  Reply # 1694333 23-Dec-2016 13:53
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frankv:

 

 

 

Brilliantly oxymoronic... a world leader who had come to his senses regarding nukes wouldn't want to strengthen his nuclear capability.

 

 

His tweet was clearly in response to Putin's comments - and those are a wind-up.  

 

Putin is clever, cool, deliberate, and dangerous.  Especially so now he's helped install a moron to run the USA.


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  Reply # 1694492 23-Dec-2016 23:41
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DarthKermit:

 

More nukes eh? Great, I feel safer already.

 

 

 

 

Nukes are like dogs. One incurs expense and time. Two or three do not incur two or three multiples thereof.

 

 

 

Personally I feel no more safe with n+x% where n is how many we have today than I do with n.

 

I do feel safer where n is more than zero on our side though, especially nowadays.






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Geektastic:

 

DarthKermit:

 

More nukes eh? Great, I feel safer already.

 

 

 

 

Nukes are like dogs. One incurs expense and time. Two or three do not incur two or three multiples thereof.

 

 

 

Personally I feel no more safe with n+x% where n is how many we have today than I do with n.

 

I do feel safer where n is more than zero on our side though, especially nowadays.

 

 

What? Nukes are nothing like dogs.

 

Our safety isn't determined by how many nukes 'we' have. It is determined by how many nukes 'they' have, and they have enough to turn us into glass.

 

This nuke escalation talk is insane. Anyone who advocates nuclear escalation is insane.

 

A nuclear war can't be won.


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  Reply # 1694508 24-Dec-2016 06:58
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JWR:

Geektastic:


DarthKermit:


More nukes eh? Great, I feel safer already.



 


Nukes are like dogs. One incurs expense and time. Two or three do not incur two or three multiples thereof.


 


Personally I feel no more safe with n+x% where n is how many we have today than I do with n.


I do feel safer where n is more than zero on our side though, especially nowadays.



What? Nukes are nothing like dogs.


Our safety isn't determined by how many nukes 'we' have. It is determined by how many nukes 'they' have, and they have enough to turn us into glass.


This nuke escalation talk is insane. Anyone who advocates nuclear escalation is insane.


A nuclear war can't be won.



You summed it up beautifully with one word.... insane. The Northern Hemisphere is bat crap crazy.




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  Reply # 1694517 24-Dec-2016 07:57
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2 immature children fighting over who has a bigger gun. Great.

The holidays might be a good time to build my bomb shelter.




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  Reply # 1694536 24-Dec-2016 09:44
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Please let somebody "remove" Trump ASAP.


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  Reply # 1694537 24-Dec-2016 09:52
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Putin's game isn't likely to be driven by any desire to increase their nuclear weapons stockpile.

 

I think he's probably more concerned as the US (and thus NATO) improve anti ballistic missile technology, then the "balance" is shifted, as in theory, if mutually assured destruction wasn't to be the result - because you could neutralise your enemy's incoming missiles - then that's an incentive for an aggressor to launch a first strike.

 

Putin may be issuing threats in hope that he can pressure a new and dim-witted President to limit implementation of missile defense systems in Europe.  By way of a treaty perhaps - Trump's already sent the message out that he's not as enthusiastic about NATO as past leaders, and has extended a hand by heaping praise on Putin.

 

If your opponent has reasonably effective ABM methods - which might neutralise your short and medium range "tactical" delivery systems - then you might be more inclined to launch more to ensure some get through, or rather than use tactical weapons simply launch some ICBMs with multiple warheads and decoys.  With each ICBM carrying perhaps 10 warheads, perhaps 20 decoys, that's 30 "targets" for each ICBM. Trying to counter that with "SDI" (aka "Star Wars") was Reagan's dream, but has an inherent problem that in reentry phase of the MIRV, you're trying to "take out" perhaps 30 targets travelling at 3x the speed of your missiles - you don't have much time, they're moving at ~8km second.  Reagan was convinced that Jedis using light-sabres was the way to solve that problem.

 

If the result of the BS being spouted by Trumputin is an increase in weapons / breach of existing treaties, NZ and other nations should impose sanctions on the US and Russia. It's what the USA would do.


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  Reply # 1694539 24-Dec-2016 10:28
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Whilst none of this rhetoric sounds good. However Nothing really changes. The same threats are still there. If there was a nuclear war between these two then surely the fallout would probably kill everyone anyway.

What I think trump is referring to is the arsenal is out of date. It needs to be updated, a lot f their tech is from the 1970s. They want to build more tactical weapons. More accurate weapons, more effective weapons that can be used more strategically.

Putin on the other hand is is a completely different position. He is coming towards the end of his term he wants to be re elected in 2018 or have someone he can control to be elected. But things are not going very well in Russia. There are a lot of economic problems and their oil reserve fund is starting to run down. What better idea than to threaten building a new arsenal that can get past and balistic missile tech. In fact some of their rockets cannot be intercepted due to the speeds at which they travel. Put in needs to appear strong. Russia's military is in fact quite weak (apart from their nuclear arsenal which is a complete deterrent ).

Not much has changed and the USA do need to update their tech on their weapons. So not much has changed the human race can still anilahate itself like it could 40 years ago. Trump wants to be up to date.





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